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 by CanuckRightWinger
4 days ago
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Canada   VANCOUVER, BC
Pro Bowl

Didn't Les Snead trade down with his old mentor in Atlanta Tom Demitroff?

Yeah....per wikipedia we got Taylor Rapp and David Long with Falcons' 2nd and 3rd Rounders in 2019.

Back to your premise....I agree 100%, trading our First Rounders has yeilded us guys we could stack up against any NFL Teams 1st Round Draft harvests of the past 5 Seasons! :idea2:

George Allen eschewed Draft Picks TOO back in the day....traded them like Penny Stocks for proven veterans.
Allen's comeback when criticized for it was : THE FUTURE IS NOW!! :!2:

 by PARAM
4 days ago
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Barbados   Just far enough North of Philadelphia
Hall of Fame

CanuckRightWinger wrote:Didn't Les Snead trade down with his old mentor in Atlanta Tom Demitroff?

Yeah....per wikipedia we got Taylor Rapp and David Long with Falcons' 2nd and 3rd Rounders in 2019.

Yeah just googled it and saw that.

 by CanuckRightWinger
4 days ago
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Canada   VANCOUVER, BC
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Forget the nitpick PA.... :lol2:

but did you notice I agreed :shock2: with your premise about lining up our 5 year McSnead unorthodox First Round stock versus any other NFL Team's 5 year harvest??? 8-)

Gotta stop all this agreeing stuff....
guys are going to start reading tea leaves again!! ;) :lol2:

Hey thanks again for that 2021 OLineman Draft layout you did Pennsylvania!
Saved me a lot of time with the Yellow HiLiter up here at the Canuck Ram Cave.

 by mike schad 1st rd
4 days ago
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United States of America   LA Coliseum
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PARAM wrote:So who did they give up their first round picks to get?

2016 & 2017 Goff
2018 Cooks?
2019?
2020 and 2021 Ramsey
2022 and 2023 Stafford

Who did 2019 go for? FOWLER?


2019 First Rounder was traded on Draft Day (Atlanta?) One of those 1sts for 2 2nd's type trades. Rams had 31st pick after losing Super Bowl.

Edit: We traded a 1 and a 6 to Atlanta for a 2 and a 3.

 by AltiTude Ram
4 days ago
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United States of America   Denver
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PARAM wrote:So who did they give up their first round picks to get?

2016 & 2017 Goff
2018 Cooks?
2019?
2020 and 2021 Ramsey
2022 and 2023 Stafford

Who did 2019 go for? FOWLER?



I like to think of it more like this.

2016 Goff
2017 Goff
2018 Cooks
2019 Rapp/Long
2020 Ramsey
2021 Ramsey
2022 Stafford
2023 Stafford

Overall, I think they did well (3 playoff teams in the last 4 years) with their picks.

Of course the jury is still out on Stafford. Only because he needs to win some football games for the Rams before grading.

 by PARAM
4 days ago
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Barbados   Just far enough North of Philadelphia
Hall of Fame

CanuckRightWinger wrote:Hey thanks again for that 2021 OLineman Draft layout you did Pennsylvania!
Saved me a lot of time with the Yellow HiLiter up here at the Canuck Ram Cave.


Glad you liked it! I bought the first draft preview I could find and CBS always has their prospect rankings as soon as the NCAA season is over. Just found another one and it got delivered Saturday. 500 prospects. Lots of info.

That LT JPM likes from Stanford was injured in 2019 and opted out last year. Many seem to think he'll go a lot lower than he should. I also like the C from Stanford (Dalman) and the center from Penn St., because of course we won't be picking early. :D And as ZN said, for some reason centers seem to do okay as rookie starters....I would assume because a vet QB can help with the line calls :idea2: :idea2: :idea2:

 by HopHead Ram
4 days ago
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United States of America   The Left Coast
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HellRam wrote:I don't think it's a black and white deal.

Without 1st rounders we don't have Donald, Gurley, Goff, ect. Plus you get the benefit of cheaper production. That said, if you have a team ready to compete the value of a impact player might be more valuable then a player drafted. If youre not in win now mode I'd imagine building through the draft is much more pragmatic then paying top dollar for players who won't put you over the top.


Not saying there are not benefits of drafting in the first round just saying that there are so many factors that go into fielding a consistently successful team and having 1st round draft picks is just a small part of the larger equation.

Clearly landing generational talent through the first round like AD drastically improves a team and there is a significant financial benefit as well but what happens more frequently? landing perennial pro-bowlers or landing a JAG. I think we love the "what if" of the first rounders. What if he turns out to be the next "blank" We lose that when we draft day 2 and 3. There is a whole industry of people dedicated to prepping and analyzing those picks so when a team forgoes that method, It kind of devalues what they are doing because if it was so important, everybody would subscribe to it and clearly there are teams that zig while others are zagging.

As long as we remain competitive, I could care less how we get there.

 by PARAM
3 days ago
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Barbados   Just far enough North of Philadelphia
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HopHead Ram wrote:Not saying there are not benefits of drafting in the first round just saying that there are so many factors that go into fielding a consistently successful team and having 1st round draft picks is just a small part of the larger equation.

Clearly landing generational talent through the first round like AD drastically improves a team and there is a significant financial benefit as well but what happens more frequently? landing perennial pro-bowlers or landing a JAG. I think we love the "what if" of the first rounders. What if he turns out to be the next "blank" We lose that when we draft day 2 and 3. There is a whole industry of people dedicated to prepping and analyzing those picks so when a team forgoes that method, It kind of devalues what they are doing because if it was so important, everybody would subscribe to it and clearly there are teams that zig while others are zagging.

As long as we remain competitive, I could care less how we get there.


While you're building a team, first round picks are imperative. Once you've got the team almost there, then they become less imperative. Because those other first round picks that panned out are going to need to be paid as first round picks. And then there's always the "shit, we sure got that one wrong" picks that are a total waste of a 1st round pick. Once you've got the team there, then you don't need those picks and can use them to acquire already proven talent, which is way better than "he's okay" or "shit we sure got that one wrong".

2010 1st Bradford; 2nd Saffold
2011 1st Quinn; 2nd Kendricks
2012 1st Brockers; 2nd Quick, Jenkins, Pead
2013 1st Austin & Ogletree; 2nd (none)
2014 1st Robinson & Donald; 2nd Joyner
2015 1st Gurley; 2nd Havenstein
2016 1st Goff; 2nd (none)

We had some hits and Donald clearly shines above all else. Gurley wore out and Goff didn't work out in the long term. But we've had some misses and Robinson, Austin and Bradford stand out.

And the guys who need to be added to those 1st round picks we didn't make are Cooks, Ramsey and Stafford.

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