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 by Elvis
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Sean Payton says improved technology for spotting balls is coming

Posted by Josh Alper on February 10, 2020

Chiefs running back Damien Williams was ruled to have crossed the goal line for the go-ahead touchdown on a third-down play late in Super Bowl LIV after a review showed no conclusive evidence that the ball failed to break the plane.

Such a review would not have been necessary if the league used a chip in the ball to determine the spot and there are scores of other plays over the course of a season that could be handled quickly with the help of technology. Saints head coach Sean Payton is on the NFL’s Competition Committee and he believes that such a change “is coming, it’s coming.”

While speaking with Peter King for Football Morning in America, Payton said that he expects to see “the ball crossing the plane of the goal line, and the uprights flashing yellow, just like the shot clock in the NBA” as part of the game in the near future. That comes after a Super Bowl week appearance on PFT Live that featured Payton discussing the Saints’ use of technology for tracking their own players, which he called “a target and simple barcode system that helps you locate track and be more accurate.”

Whether Williams’ Super Bowl touchdown or Seahawks tight end Jacob Hollister‘s failed attempt to get into the end zone against the 49ers in Week 17, adopting such technology would take some guesswork out of some of the biggest moments in the game.

 by Horny Mcbae
2 weeks ago
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United States of America   South Bay, Los Angeles
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This technology should have been installed years ago. It’s stupid not to have it for the ball breaking the plane. They have had goal line technology in soccer for a few years now. If the ball crosses the goal line it sends a signal to the referees watch.

Clown is talking about that player tracking system like it’s some revolution. It’s been used for almost 10yrs now

 by dieterbrock
2 weeks ago
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United States of America   New Jersey
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That’s the least of the issues.
Why we still go thru this dramatic act of pulling out the chains based off of some old fart’s opinion of where the marker is, and using an archaic chain to measure 10 yards is just pathetic.
Yes of course the “break the plane” chip technology should be in play, but that would be in addition to down and distance measured electronically & side lines measured electronically
How much time would that speed things up? I bet a couple minutes a game at least.

 by St. Loser Fan
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One of my high school teachers ran the chains for Mizzou, Illinois and St. Louis football Cardinal games. How’d he get his job? Eagle eyes. 20/10 vision. Even back then he’d complain about some of the ball spots, but would have to follow the refs on the field.

(He also didn’t need binoculars to spot who was going to the woods behind the soccer fields to smoke.)

 by PARAM
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This all sounds great. Goalposts that light up, goal and sidelines with sensors in them. Electronic first down markers. But can someone please educate me on the ball sensor/chip. How big is it? Can it work in such an odd shaped ball? Will it work if either tip of the ball barely crosses those boundry sensors? Will it work if the fat part of the ball does? How ironic would it be if 5 years after introducing sensors, we have actual eyes checking that they work? :D

 by St. Loser Fan
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PARAM wrote:This all sounds great. Goalposts that light up, goal and sidelines with sensors in them. Electronic first down markers. But can someone please educate me on the ball sensor/chip. How big is it? Can it work in such an odd shaped ball? Will it work if either tip of the ball barely crosses those boundry sensors? Will it work if the fat part of the ball does? How ironic would it be if 5 years after introducing sensors, we have actual eyes checking that they work? :D


Probably chips/sensors in the tips and the fat part of the ball.

 by snackdaddy
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It still wouldn't be infallible if there's only one chip somewhere on the ball. If any part of the ball breaks the plane its a TD. If the chip is on the other side of the ball that broke the plane but the whole ball doesn't, it won't register a TD. Or, if the ball is fumbled into the endzone it would light up the goal posts thinking its a TD. Not to mention if a player is down before the ball crosses the plane. It might help on a few certain plays like the one in the Superbowl though. But it doesn't prevent all replays.

 by St. Loser Fan
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snackdaddy wrote:It still wouldn't be infallible if there's only one chip somewhere on the ball. If any part of the ball breaks the plane its a TD. If the chip is on the other side of the ball that broke the plane but the whole ball doesn't, it won't register a TD. Or, if the ball is fumbled into the endzone it would light up the goal posts thinking its a TD. Not to mention if a player is down before the ball crosses the plane. It might help on a few certain plays like the one in the Superbowl though. But it doesn't prevent all replays.


That's why I said they'll probably have multiple chips.

The article is behind The Athletic paywall, but the NHL showed off their puck and player tracking at the All Star Game recently. I want to say the puck had 12 chips.

 by PARAM
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My bet is Saints fans aren't worried about a chip in the ball but think Sean Payton ought to figure out a way not to lose in the postseason on the final play of the game!!! Maybe they'll get a reprieve in 2020 and the Saints will fail to make the playoffs, sparing fans from a fourth consecutive loss on the final play.

 by Horny Mcbae
2 weeks ago
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United States of America   South Bay, Los Angeles
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There would be multiple chips. The football already has a chip in it now which sends back data about flight and motion and the nfl shares that with the teams.

Tennis has had Hawkeye for over a decade if not more and that’s accurate to within mm, but the problem with using it in football is that 25% of the ball has to be visible for Hawkeye to work. You can go to a store and buy the adidas Soccer balls with chips and it links to the adidas app on your phone and gives all kinds of cool data about speed and trajectory etc. they even put micro cameras on the ball which would give u playback within seconds but it ended up being too wild due to the speed and rotation of the ball although it produced some great images too.

I read somewhere a year or 2 ago that the chip they were testing for footballs has a range of accuracy of 6 inches. Sometimes TDs and first downs comes down to less than that and that’s where it would cause doubt. And us fans would hang on any excuse if it takes responsibility away from our teams choking.

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