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 by /zn/
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PARAM wrote:Is it possible their only OL targets in FA are Whitworth and Blythe? Sign both and very little has changed. The question is, what are their opinions of Noteboom, Allen, Evans, Edwards and Corbett? The answer will come in free agency and the draft. But with all the capital they used in drafting four of them and trading for the other, I wonder if they don't target other areas, should they resign AW and/ or AB.


I don't see much cap room for adding an additional OL FA. Maybe a cheap pick-up like Blythe was.

But I also think they will draft OL regardless of what they think of Noteboom, Allen, Evans, Edwards and Corbett.

That is, drafting OL won't necessarily tell us what they think of those 5 youngsters.

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 by PARAM
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/zn/ wrote:I don't see much cap room for adding an additional OL FA. Maybe a cheap pick-up like Blythe was.

But I also think they will draft OL regardless of what they think of Noteboom, Allen, Evans, Edwards and Corbett.

That is, drafting OL won't necessarily tell us what they think of those 5 youngsters.

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True, drafting OL might not tell us what they think of those 5 but not drafting OL might tell us a lot. How many picks do they have? 6 ?

 by /zn/
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PARAM wrote:True, drafting OL might not tell us what they think of those 5 but not drafting OL might tell us a lot. How many picks do they have? 6 ?


It's an issue of need. I think Snead is the type who throws picks at a weakness until it is a strength, and OL is one of the major weaknesses. In fact I think they could afford to pick only OL, DL, and LB. They won't do that...but they could afford to do that.

The main thing about OL is that until it is at least just solid, it holds other things hostage.

Rams have 6 picks if they get a projected 4th round comp pick for Saffold.

 by PARAM
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/zn/ wrote:It's an issue of need. I think Snead is the type who throws picks at a weakness until it is a strength, and OL is one of the major weaknesses. In fact I think they could afford to pick only OL, DL, and LB. They won't do that...but they could afford to do that.

The main thing about OL is that until it is at least just solid, it holds other things hostage.

Rams have 6 picks if they get a projected 4th round comp pick for Saffold.


I know the talking heads believe it's a major weakness. I know a lot of Rams fans believe it's a major weakness. But I wonder if Snead, McVay and Co. believe it's a major weakness? They were very high on Edwards.....in fact talked about him being a legit LT. They were high on Evans at the draft and I would think they'd be encouraged by his play down the stretch. They traded for Corbett. And it was obvious how they felt about Noteboom and Allen going into the season. The worst thing that should be said about Noteboom was he got injured. Allen? I'm not sure he's a bust. But as always, we'll have to see how it plays out. I think they are in position to look for players instead of positions.

 by aeneas1
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The secret to the Los Angeles Rams’ turnaround is to emulate the Minnesota Vikings
By Sosa [email protected] Feb 6, 2020, 2:11pm CST

say what?

the vikes replaced an undrafted journeyman who was with the rams for a cup of coffee in 2014 (remmers) and a 6th round journeyman (compton) with another undrafted journeyman (kline) and a 1st round rookie, and just like their oline is top notch, and a blueprint for the rams? how do folks come up with this nonsense?

fwiw the gang at pff ranked the 2019 vikes oline 19th, and 27th in pass pro, the 19th ranking was because they ranked high in run blocking, something i'm sure delvin had nothing to do with (weird how he posted his lowest yards per carry average in 2019, eh?)... they also attributed cousins success to a 2019 adjustment in passing scheme from the prior year, amazing what scheme can do for an oline isn't it?

anyhoo, not sure how anyone could point to the vikes oline as an example of what the rams need to do to shore up their oline, mama mia.

 by /zn/
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PARAM wrote:I know the talking heads believe it's a major weakness. I know a lot of Rams fans believe it's a major weakness. But I wonder if Snead, McVay and Co. believe it's a major weakness? They were very high on Edwards.....in fact talked about him being a legit LT. They were high on Evans at the draft and I would think they'd be encouraged by his play down the stretch. They traded for Corbett. And it was obvious how they felt about Noteboom and Allen going into the season. The worst thing that should be said about Noteboom was he got injured. Allen? I'm not sure he's a bust. But as always, we'll have to see how it plays out. I think they are in position to look for players instead of positions.


A lot of that is true--but they have not done it yet. I think Edwards and Evans are good finds, but it's still not a proven solid unit yet. (Though I have doubts about Corbett.) We don't know if they still feel the same way about Allen, though they did say NB was improving. Either way he had surgery and can't even practice until (I think) camp, and they do not know how he will look when he does. I don't think you count on him for early in the season. If they get AW and Blythe back it makes it easier, but even then there's virtually no notable depth, not unless Brewer comes through. We still don't know about Hav. It just seems to me you keep adding to that unit until it is stable and deep.

Can all that come together? Yes. But it does not hurt to deepen the unit. As it stands last year they played 10 different linemen in 16 games (though with Brewer it was only some plays in one game). 2 had surgery post-season (AW and Blythe) and 2 during the season (NB and Allen) and one more was banged up (Hav) .

Anyway, besides, since AW is probably good for only one season, they won't know about NB till he can play, at the very least they have to think about LOT for 2021...and maybe depth at ROT for 2012 too.

Short version: yes I can see them drafting linemen, particularly in a draft which is deep at OT.

 by CanuckRightWinger
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The Rams Yutes OL Rushing Performance Last Half of 2019 Season per ESPN

TEAM...Ca/Yd...AVE....Comments
at PIT...23/88...3.8...306 Total Ram Yds, 8 Hekker punts (+ one fake-punt)
vs CHI...34/110...3.2...283 Total Ram Yds, we won b/c Trubinsky sucked
vs BAL...09/22...2.4....Rams O scored 6 points at Home
at ARI...30/132...4.4....Good game against a sadsack division cellar-dweller
vs SEA...35/162...4.6...Best game of second half. Total team effort!
at DAL...14/22...1.6...Ram OL manhandled by an inconsistent Cowboy D
at SF....24/72...3.0...Goff throws for 323 yds in losing cause
vs ARI...33/113...3.4...Ram TO adv was 5-0, yet tied 17-17 in 4th Qtr with sadsack cellar dweller

FINAL RAM 8 GAME RUSHING TOTAL...202 carries/721 rushing yards....3.57 yds/carry
And, 5 of 8 Rams final 2019 games were against non-Playoff Teams

The above stats are NOT indicative of a stellar NFL OL performance. :idea2:
And, the eyeball test showed our 2019 OL being pushed around.

ME: Damn right McSnead will spend Draft treasure on the OL in 2020, a definite area of weakness in 2019, and hopefully fixed by McSnead for 2020.
Agree that David SneadDraftSteal Edwards is pick-of-the-litter of 2019 Ram OL yutes…..but the former Wiscosin Badger OT Blindside protector himself sees himself as a OG in the NFL.

The way it looks now, 13 to 15 Picks out of 64 total in April's First Two Rounds will be OL selections. If Los Ramos stay put at #52, were getting the tail end of that group of projected 2020 OL Blue-Chippers. :?

….of course, Snead could re-perform his 2019 Draft magic and find a OL starter in the 5th Round like he did with Edwards.....but I'm hoping we get one of those bona fide 2020 blue-chip OL guys. :idea2:

 by /zn/
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CanuckRightWinger wrote:The Rams Yutes OL Rushing Performance Last Half of 2019 Season per ESPN

TEAM...Ca/Yd...AVE....Comments
at PIT...23/88...3.8...306 Total Ram Yds, 8 Hekker punts (+ one fake-punt)
vs CHI...34/110...3.2...283 Total Ram Yds, we won b/c Trubinsky sucked
vs BAL...09/22...2.4....Rams O scored 6 points at Home
at ARI...30/132...4.4....Good game against a sadsack division cellar-dweller
vs SEA...35/162...4.6...Best game of second half. Total team effort!
at DAL...14/22...1.6...Ram OL manhandled by an inconsistent Cowboy D
at SF....24/72...3.0...Goff throws for 323 yds in losing cause
vs ARI...33/113...3.4...Ram TO adv was 5-0, yet tied 17-17 in 4th Qtr with sadsack cellar dweller

FINAL RAM 8 GAME RUSHING TOTAL...202 carries/721 rushing yards....3.57 yds/carry
And, 5 of 8 Rams final 2019 games were against non-Playoff Teams

The above stats are NOT indicative of a stellar NFL OL performance. :idea2:
And, the eyeball test showed our 2019 OL being pushed around.

ME: Damn right McSnead will spend Draft treasure on the OL in 2020, a definite area of weakness in 2019, and hopefully fixed by McSnead for 2020.
Agree that David SneadDraftSteal Edwards is pick-of-the-litter of 2019 Ram OL yutes…..but the former Wiscosin Badger OT Blindside protector himself sees himself as a OG in the NFL.

The way it looks now, 13 to 15 Picks out of 64 total in April's First Two Rounds will be OL selections. If Los Ramos stay put at #52, were getting the tail end of that group of projected 2020 OL Blue-Chippers. :?

….of course, Snead could re-perform his 2019 Draft magic and find a OL starter in the 5th Round like he did with Edwards.....but I'm hoping we get one of those bona fide 2020 blue-chip OL guys. :idea2:


Your "assessment" is based on the premise that no one on the 2019 OL improves, develops, or just performs more effectively in a more coherent unit.

I doubt Kromer, McVay, and Snead share that view.

I also doubt they share the view that when a 2nd half of the season OL consisting of 2 vets who had post-season surgery (Blythe and AW) plus 3 inexperienced injury replacements does not play at an ideal level, the only explanation is lack of talent. That's you leaping to all kindsa off-base conclusions. In contrast, I see them doing better than should be expected under tough circumstances.

I disagreed with PA on a minor issue---whether or not the Rams would draft OL. I think they will, because if nothing else they don't know yet where they stand with the LOT for 2021. But they will be adding talent to talent, not adding talent to nothing.

So I do agree with PA that there absolutely were signs that they do have players to build with.

A line AS BAD as YOU claim does not tie SF, a team with the league's 2nd ranked defense, in a 30-point game on the road at the end of the season.

 by PARAM
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/zn/ wrote:.....A line AS BAD as YOU claim does not tie SF, a team with the league's 2nd ranked defense, in a 30-point game on the road at the end of the season......


Speaking of SF, the gold standard of the NFC in terms of offensive line play and offensive line coaching (how they didn't miss a beat with their OT's going down).......they played Arizona twice in 3 weeks. In the first game, the game their starting OT's returned, they beat the sad sack Cardinals 28-25, gaining 101 rushing yards on 31 carries (3.1). In the second game, they won by a bit more, 36-26 and gained an impressive 34 yards on 19 carries. On the year, they gained 135 yards on 50 carries against the sad sack Cardinals (2.7 ypc). How come? Lousy O line coaching? Lack of talent along the O line? Bad playcalling? Against cellar dwellers? :shock2:

 by /zn/
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PARAM wrote:Speaking of SF, the gold standard of the NFC in terms of offensive line play and offensive line coaching (how they didn't miss a beat with their OT's going down)......


I don't think SF is a normal case. They played a FB a huge percentage of the time, plus one of the best blocking TEs in the biz, and relied on those strengths to run the ball. Plus of course they gameplanned in an exceptional running game. So they were able to work around what would usually be a drawback. I think all that's indicative of is this--if you are going to have OL injuries, do it on a team that has all sorts of personnel and scheme advantages running the ball.

That can especially work if you have a top defense.

As it is, they were 29th in passing attempts, and 2nd in rushing attempts. Even with that low passing rate they were 18th in sack percentage. In all 4 of their losses they allowed 7 or more pressures (against Seattle it was 18). The secret to beating them all year was to make them pass. Neither the OL nor the qb held up under that.

So I don't take the SF case as telling us much about the normal situation of OL injuries.

The Rams are much more of a real exception when it comes to that. Playing 2 injured OL plus 3 inexperienced injury replacements, and without a dominant run game to fall back on (let alone a top defense), it's kind of an accomplishment that they would even go 4-3....especially since for the most part, to win, they had to pass. I can only take that to mean that as rough as that OL was with the injury replacements, they still had talent to work with--and that's what made the difference.

If I had to explain that it would be this. Unlike most teams when it comes to OL depth, the Rams were actively rebuilding (5 draft picks and a trade in 2 years). The target year was supposed to be 2020 but injuries forced them to play guys earlier than that. Most teams do not have OL depth like that because they are not actively rebuilding the OL in advance that way.

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