by max 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 5580 Joined: Jun 01 2015 Sarasota, FL Hall of Fame FO: Goff is king of the dig POST #1 TOPIC AUTHOR Goff is near the top of several routeshttps://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat- ... arterbacksDigThe 1,093 dig targets last season produced more DYAR than any other route -- it was the money route for most of 2018.Dig Route Leaders, 2018Player Team DYAR DVOA Passes Yards C% aDOT YACJared Goff LAR 197 45.9% 45 500 68.9% 12.5 3.5Tom Brady NE 171 31.4% 55 601 66.0% 11.1 5.4Philip Rivers LAC 151 47.5% 35 423 80.0% 11.8 3.3Drew Brees NO 112 49.1% 28 324 77.8% 9.9 4.7Baker Mayfield CLE 101 57.1% 19 247 78.9% 13.6 4.3Deshaun Watson HOU 94 26.1% 34 356 70.6% 9.9 4.8Matt Ryan ATL 92 13.6% 45 411 63.6% 10.9 3.8Nick Mullens SF 83 25.4% 29 320 67.9% 10.7 3.7Cam Newton CAR 79 17.1% 37 377 63.9% 12.6 4.3Ryan Tannehill MIA 63 31.6% 20 205 60.0% 10.3 8.5Jameis Winston TB 58 5.8% 43 385 65.1% 12.0 2 ~ max ~“The consciousness of good intentions disdains ambiguity.” - Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers by aeneas1 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 16894 Joined: Sep 13 2015 Norcal Hall of Fame FO: Goff is king of the dig POST #2 actually goff was king of the deep crossing route - 8.8% of his passes were deep crossers, no other qb posted a higher percentage, and his rate was almost double the nfl average of 4.7%:2018 pass distribution percentage: 2018 pass distribution percentage ranking: 2018 average depth of target: 2018 average depth of target ranking: by max 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 5580 Joined: Jun 01 2015 Sarasota, FL Hall of Fame FO: Goff is king of the dig POST #3 TOPIC AUTHOR aeneas1 wrote:actually goff was king of the deep crossing route - 8.8% of his passes were deep crossers, no other qb posted a higher percentage, and his rate was almost double the nfl average of 4.7%:2018 pass distribution percentage:01.png2018 pass distribution percentage ranking:02.png2018 average depth of target:03.png2018 average depth of target ranking:04.pngAre you king of something just because you do it a lot even if you’re not the best at it?Doesn’t sound right. ~ max ~“The consciousness of good intentions disdains ambiguity.” - Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers by rams74 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 1471 Joined: Nov 19 2015 Glendale, Arizona Pro Bowl FO: Goff is king of the dig POST #4 max wrote:Are you king of something just because you do it a lot even if you’re not the best at it?Doesn’t sound right.Seems like you're not quite getting into the spirit of the thing. by Elvis 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 38452 Joined: Mar 28 2015 Los Angeles Administrator Re: FO: Goff is king of the dig POST #5 The Martz Rams absolutely lived on those dig routes... RFU Season Ticket Holder by max 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 5580 Joined: Jun 01 2015 Sarasota, FL Hall of Fame FO: Goff is king of the dig POST #6 TOPIC AUTHOR rams74 wrote:Seems like you're not quite getting into the spirit of the thing.Spirit of what?I posted the original post that showed how good Goff was in multiple categories, especially the dig routes, and also the deep post. He was tops in those 2 categories.There is no need to exaggerate what he did last year. He only competed 48.6% of his deep cross passes, that was only 24th best. How the heck does that make him king of the deep cross? Just because he threw a lot of them? Nah. ~ max ~“The consciousness of good intentions disdains ambiguity.” - Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers by aeneas1 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 16894 Joined: Sep 13 2015 Norcal Hall of Fame FO: Goff is king of the dig POST #7 dieterbrock liked this post rams74 wrote:Seems like you're not quite getting into the spirit of the thing.it appears max thinks goff is "king of digs" because he ranks 1st in dyar in the digs category... by extension fitzpatrick is also king of "drag routes" because he ranks 1st in dyar for the drag route category (even tho he only threw 2 drag passes). 1 by aeneas1 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 16894 Joined: Sep 13 2015 Norcal Hall of Fame FO: Goff is king of the dig POST #8 Dick84 wrote:Hey... do those deep crossing routes happen to take longer to develop?longer than what?when looking at fo's breakdown one thing that jumps out is goff's average depth of target - he ranks top 10 in depth of target in 7 of the 13 route categories and ranks above league average in 10 of the 13 route categories.. goff, mcvay and the rams push the ball downfield, and i dig the hell out of it! by max 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 5580 Joined: Jun 01 2015 Sarasota, FL Hall of Fame FO: Goff is king of the dig POST #9 TOPIC AUTHOR aeneas1 wrote:it appears max thinks goff is "king of digs" because he ranks 1st in dyar in the digs category... by extension fitzpatrick is also king of "drag routes" because he ranks 1st in dyar for the drag route category (even tho he only threw 2 drag passes).Appearances are deceiving. I don’t think that FO thinks that. You see, that what “FO: Goff is the king of the dig” means. Maybe you missed the “FO” in the header. But you appear to think Goff is king of the deep cross because he throws a lot of them, even though his completion rate stunk. That’s like saying a kicker is the best because he had the most 60 yard attempts, even though he missed them all. ~ max ~“The consciousness of good intentions disdains ambiguity.” - Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers by max 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 5580 Joined: Jun 01 2015 Sarasota, FL Hall of Fame FO: Goff is king of the dig POST #10 TOPIC AUTHOR Dick84 wrote:Not sure if you're trying to redefine the article? There's a link. DYARDYAR (Defense-adjusted Yards Above Replacement) calculates each player's cumulative value above or below a "replacement-level" alternative. DYAR differs from DVOA in calculating a player's total value through the course of a year, and not on a play-for-play rate. States Football Outsiders, "DVOA, by virtue of being a percentage or rate statistic, doesn’t take into account the cumulative value of having a player producing at a league-median level over the course of an above-average number of plays. By definition, a median level of performance is better than that provided by half of the league and the ability to maintain that level of performance while carrying a heavy work load is very valuable indeed."[5]Not sure of your point. DYAR and DVOA are FO created stats. They are the ones ranking the QBs, not me. I just posted it. A1 took exception to their ranking, which is perfectly fine, but he used an illogical approach. You aren’t good at something just because you do it more than someone else. I sing a lot, and I stink. ~ max ~“The consciousness of good intentions disdains ambiguity.” - Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers Reply 1 / 2 1 2 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 12 posts Apr 19 2024 FOLLOW US @RAMSFANSUNITED Who liked this post
by aeneas1 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 16894 Joined: Sep 13 2015 Norcal Hall of Fame FO: Goff is king of the dig POST #2 actually goff was king of the deep crossing route - 8.8% of his passes were deep crossers, no other qb posted a higher percentage, and his rate was almost double the nfl average of 4.7%:2018 pass distribution percentage: 2018 pass distribution percentage ranking: 2018 average depth of target: 2018 average depth of target ranking: by max 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 5580 Joined: Jun 01 2015 Sarasota, FL Hall of Fame FO: Goff is king of the dig POST #3 TOPIC AUTHOR aeneas1 wrote:actually goff was king of the deep crossing route - 8.8% of his passes were deep crossers, no other qb posted a higher percentage, and his rate was almost double the nfl average of 4.7%:2018 pass distribution percentage:01.png2018 pass distribution percentage ranking:02.png2018 average depth of target:03.png2018 average depth of target ranking:04.pngAre you king of something just because you do it a lot even if you’re not the best at it?Doesn’t sound right. ~ max ~“The consciousness of good intentions disdains ambiguity.” - Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers by rams74 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 1471 Joined: Nov 19 2015 Glendale, Arizona Pro Bowl FO: Goff is king of the dig POST #4 max wrote:Are you king of something just because you do it a lot even if you’re not the best at it?Doesn’t sound right.Seems like you're not quite getting into the spirit of the thing. by Elvis 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 38452 Joined: Mar 28 2015 Los Angeles Administrator Re: FO: Goff is king of the dig POST #5 The Martz Rams absolutely lived on those dig routes... RFU Season Ticket Holder by max 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 5580 Joined: Jun 01 2015 Sarasota, FL Hall of Fame FO: Goff is king of the dig POST #6 TOPIC AUTHOR rams74 wrote:Seems like you're not quite getting into the spirit of the thing.Spirit of what?I posted the original post that showed how good Goff was in multiple categories, especially the dig routes, and also the deep post. He was tops in those 2 categories.There is no need to exaggerate what he did last year. He only competed 48.6% of his deep cross passes, that was only 24th best. How the heck does that make him king of the deep cross? Just because he threw a lot of them? Nah. ~ max ~“The consciousness of good intentions disdains ambiguity.” - Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers by aeneas1 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 16894 Joined: Sep 13 2015 Norcal Hall of Fame FO: Goff is king of the dig POST #7 dieterbrock liked this post rams74 wrote:Seems like you're not quite getting into the spirit of the thing.it appears max thinks goff is "king of digs" because he ranks 1st in dyar in the digs category... by extension fitzpatrick is also king of "drag routes" because he ranks 1st in dyar for the drag route category (even tho he only threw 2 drag passes). 1 by aeneas1 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 16894 Joined: Sep 13 2015 Norcal Hall of Fame FO: Goff is king of the dig POST #8 Dick84 wrote:Hey... do those deep crossing routes happen to take longer to develop?longer than what?when looking at fo's breakdown one thing that jumps out is goff's average depth of target - he ranks top 10 in depth of target in 7 of the 13 route categories and ranks above league average in 10 of the 13 route categories.. goff, mcvay and the rams push the ball downfield, and i dig the hell out of it! by max 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 5580 Joined: Jun 01 2015 Sarasota, FL Hall of Fame FO: Goff is king of the dig POST #9 TOPIC AUTHOR aeneas1 wrote:it appears max thinks goff is "king of digs" because he ranks 1st in dyar in the digs category... by extension fitzpatrick is also king of "drag routes" because he ranks 1st in dyar for the drag route category (even tho he only threw 2 drag passes).Appearances are deceiving. I don’t think that FO thinks that. You see, that what “FO: Goff is the king of the dig” means. Maybe you missed the “FO” in the header. But you appear to think Goff is king of the deep cross because he throws a lot of them, even though his completion rate stunk. That’s like saying a kicker is the best because he had the most 60 yard attempts, even though he missed them all. ~ max ~“The consciousness of good intentions disdains ambiguity.” - Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers by max 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 5580 Joined: Jun 01 2015 Sarasota, FL Hall of Fame FO: Goff is king of the dig POST #10 TOPIC AUTHOR Dick84 wrote:Not sure if you're trying to redefine the article? There's a link. DYARDYAR (Defense-adjusted Yards Above Replacement) calculates each player's cumulative value above or below a "replacement-level" alternative. DYAR differs from DVOA in calculating a player's total value through the course of a year, and not on a play-for-play rate. States Football Outsiders, "DVOA, by virtue of being a percentage or rate statistic, doesn’t take into account the cumulative value of having a player producing at a league-median level over the course of an above-average number of plays. By definition, a median level of performance is better than that provided by half of the league and the ability to maintain that level of performance while carrying a heavy work load is very valuable indeed."[5]Not sure of your point. DYAR and DVOA are FO created stats. They are the ones ranking the QBs, not me. I just posted it. A1 took exception to their ranking, which is perfectly fine, but he used an illogical approach. You aren’t good at something just because you do it more than someone else. I sing a lot, and I stink. ~ max ~“The consciousness of good intentions disdains ambiguity.” - Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers Reply 1 / 2 1 2 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 12 posts Apr 19 2024 FOLLOW US @RAMSFANSUNITED Who liked this post
by max 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 5580 Joined: Jun 01 2015 Sarasota, FL Hall of Fame FO: Goff is king of the dig POST #3 TOPIC AUTHOR aeneas1 wrote:actually goff was king of the deep crossing route - 8.8% of his passes were deep crossers, no other qb posted a higher percentage, and his rate was almost double the nfl average of 4.7%:2018 pass distribution percentage:01.png2018 pass distribution percentage ranking:02.png2018 average depth of target:03.png2018 average depth of target ranking:04.pngAre you king of something just because you do it a lot even if you’re not the best at it?Doesn’t sound right. ~ max ~“The consciousness of good intentions disdains ambiguity.” - Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers by rams74 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 1471 Joined: Nov 19 2015 Glendale, Arizona Pro Bowl FO: Goff is king of the dig POST #4 max wrote:Are you king of something just because you do it a lot even if you’re not the best at it?Doesn’t sound right.Seems like you're not quite getting into the spirit of the thing. by Elvis 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 38452 Joined: Mar 28 2015 Los Angeles Administrator Re: FO: Goff is king of the dig POST #5 The Martz Rams absolutely lived on those dig routes... RFU Season Ticket Holder by max 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 5580 Joined: Jun 01 2015 Sarasota, FL Hall of Fame FO: Goff is king of the dig POST #6 TOPIC AUTHOR rams74 wrote:Seems like you're not quite getting into the spirit of the thing.Spirit of what?I posted the original post that showed how good Goff was in multiple categories, especially the dig routes, and also the deep post. He was tops in those 2 categories.There is no need to exaggerate what he did last year. He only competed 48.6% of his deep cross passes, that was only 24th best. How the heck does that make him king of the deep cross? Just because he threw a lot of them? Nah. ~ max ~“The consciousness of good intentions disdains ambiguity.” - Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers by aeneas1 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 16894 Joined: Sep 13 2015 Norcal Hall of Fame FO: Goff is king of the dig POST #7 dieterbrock liked this post rams74 wrote:Seems like you're not quite getting into the spirit of the thing.it appears max thinks goff is "king of digs" because he ranks 1st in dyar in the digs category... by extension fitzpatrick is also king of "drag routes" because he ranks 1st in dyar for the drag route category (even tho he only threw 2 drag passes). 1 by aeneas1 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 16894 Joined: Sep 13 2015 Norcal Hall of Fame FO: Goff is king of the dig POST #8 Dick84 wrote:Hey... do those deep crossing routes happen to take longer to develop?longer than what?when looking at fo's breakdown one thing that jumps out is goff's average depth of target - he ranks top 10 in depth of target in 7 of the 13 route categories and ranks above league average in 10 of the 13 route categories.. goff, mcvay and the rams push the ball downfield, and i dig the hell out of it! by max 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 5580 Joined: Jun 01 2015 Sarasota, FL Hall of Fame FO: Goff is king of the dig POST #9 TOPIC AUTHOR aeneas1 wrote:it appears max thinks goff is "king of digs" because he ranks 1st in dyar in the digs category... by extension fitzpatrick is also king of "drag routes" because he ranks 1st in dyar for the drag route category (even tho he only threw 2 drag passes).Appearances are deceiving. I don’t think that FO thinks that. You see, that what “FO: Goff is the king of the dig” means. Maybe you missed the “FO” in the header. But you appear to think Goff is king of the deep cross because he throws a lot of them, even though his completion rate stunk. That’s like saying a kicker is the best because he had the most 60 yard attempts, even though he missed them all. ~ max ~“The consciousness of good intentions disdains ambiguity.” - Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers by max 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 5580 Joined: Jun 01 2015 Sarasota, FL Hall of Fame FO: Goff is king of the dig POST #10 TOPIC AUTHOR Dick84 wrote:Not sure if you're trying to redefine the article? There's a link. DYARDYAR (Defense-adjusted Yards Above Replacement) calculates each player's cumulative value above or below a "replacement-level" alternative. DYAR differs from DVOA in calculating a player's total value through the course of a year, and not on a play-for-play rate. States Football Outsiders, "DVOA, by virtue of being a percentage or rate statistic, doesn’t take into account the cumulative value of having a player producing at a league-median level over the course of an above-average number of plays. By definition, a median level of performance is better than that provided by half of the league and the ability to maintain that level of performance while carrying a heavy work load is very valuable indeed."[5]Not sure of your point. DYAR and DVOA are FO created stats. They are the ones ranking the QBs, not me. I just posted it. A1 took exception to their ranking, which is perfectly fine, but he used an illogical approach. You aren’t good at something just because you do it more than someone else. I sing a lot, and I stink. ~ max ~“The consciousness of good intentions disdains ambiguity.” - Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers Reply 1 / 2 1 2 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 12 posts Apr 19 2024 FOLLOW US @RAMSFANSUNITED Who liked this post
by rams74 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 1471 Joined: Nov 19 2015 Glendale, Arizona Pro Bowl FO: Goff is king of the dig POST #4 max wrote:Are you king of something just because you do it a lot even if you’re not the best at it?Doesn’t sound right.Seems like you're not quite getting into the spirit of the thing. by Elvis 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 38452 Joined: Mar 28 2015 Los Angeles Administrator Re: FO: Goff is king of the dig POST #5 The Martz Rams absolutely lived on those dig routes... RFU Season Ticket Holder by max 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 5580 Joined: Jun 01 2015 Sarasota, FL Hall of Fame FO: Goff is king of the dig POST #6 TOPIC AUTHOR rams74 wrote:Seems like you're not quite getting into the spirit of the thing.Spirit of what?I posted the original post that showed how good Goff was in multiple categories, especially the dig routes, and also the deep post. He was tops in those 2 categories.There is no need to exaggerate what he did last year. He only competed 48.6% of his deep cross passes, that was only 24th best. How the heck does that make him king of the deep cross? Just because he threw a lot of them? Nah. ~ max ~“The consciousness of good intentions disdains ambiguity.” - Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers by aeneas1 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 16894 Joined: Sep 13 2015 Norcal Hall of Fame FO: Goff is king of the dig POST #7 dieterbrock liked this post rams74 wrote:Seems like you're not quite getting into the spirit of the thing.it appears max thinks goff is "king of digs" because he ranks 1st in dyar in the digs category... by extension fitzpatrick is also king of "drag routes" because he ranks 1st in dyar for the drag route category (even tho he only threw 2 drag passes). 1 by aeneas1 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 16894 Joined: Sep 13 2015 Norcal Hall of Fame FO: Goff is king of the dig POST #8 Dick84 wrote:Hey... do those deep crossing routes happen to take longer to develop?longer than what?when looking at fo's breakdown one thing that jumps out is goff's average depth of target - he ranks top 10 in depth of target in 7 of the 13 route categories and ranks above league average in 10 of the 13 route categories.. goff, mcvay and the rams push the ball downfield, and i dig the hell out of it! by max 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 5580 Joined: Jun 01 2015 Sarasota, FL Hall of Fame FO: Goff is king of the dig POST #9 TOPIC AUTHOR aeneas1 wrote:it appears max thinks goff is "king of digs" because he ranks 1st in dyar in the digs category... by extension fitzpatrick is also king of "drag routes" because he ranks 1st in dyar for the drag route category (even tho he only threw 2 drag passes).Appearances are deceiving. I don’t think that FO thinks that. You see, that what “FO: Goff is the king of the dig” means. Maybe you missed the “FO” in the header. But you appear to think Goff is king of the deep cross because he throws a lot of them, even though his completion rate stunk. That’s like saying a kicker is the best because he had the most 60 yard attempts, even though he missed them all. ~ max ~“The consciousness of good intentions disdains ambiguity.” - Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers by max 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 5580 Joined: Jun 01 2015 Sarasota, FL Hall of Fame FO: Goff is king of the dig POST #10 TOPIC AUTHOR Dick84 wrote:Not sure if you're trying to redefine the article? There's a link. DYARDYAR (Defense-adjusted Yards Above Replacement) calculates each player's cumulative value above or below a "replacement-level" alternative. DYAR differs from DVOA in calculating a player's total value through the course of a year, and not on a play-for-play rate. States Football Outsiders, "DVOA, by virtue of being a percentage or rate statistic, doesn’t take into account the cumulative value of having a player producing at a league-median level over the course of an above-average number of plays. By definition, a median level of performance is better than that provided by half of the league and the ability to maintain that level of performance while carrying a heavy work load is very valuable indeed."[5]Not sure of your point. DYAR and DVOA are FO created stats. They are the ones ranking the QBs, not me. I just posted it. A1 took exception to their ranking, which is perfectly fine, but he used an illogical approach. You aren’t good at something just because you do it more than someone else. I sing a lot, and I stink. ~ max ~“The consciousness of good intentions disdains ambiguity.” - Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers Reply 1 / 2 1 2 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 12 posts Apr 19 2024 FOLLOW US @RAMSFANSUNITED Who liked this post
by Elvis 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 38452 Joined: Mar 28 2015 Los Angeles Administrator Re: FO: Goff is king of the dig POST #5 The Martz Rams absolutely lived on those dig routes... RFU Season Ticket Holder by max 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 5580 Joined: Jun 01 2015 Sarasota, FL Hall of Fame FO: Goff is king of the dig POST #6 TOPIC AUTHOR rams74 wrote:Seems like you're not quite getting into the spirit of the thing.Spirit of what?I posted the original post that showed how good Goff was in multiple categories, especially the dig routes, and also the deep post. He was tops in those 2 categories.There is no need to exaggerate what he did last year. He only competed 48.6% of his deep cross passes, that was only 24th best. How the heck does that make him king of the deep cross? Just because he threw a lot of them? Nah. ~ max ~“The consciousness of good intentions disdains ambiguity.” - Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers by aeneas1 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 16894 Joined: Sep 13 2015 Norcal Hall of Fame FO: Goff is king of the dig POST #7 dieterbrock liked this post rams74 wrote:Seems like you're not quite getting into the spirit of the thing.it appears max thinks goff is "king of digs" because he ranks 1st in dyar in the digs category... by extension fitzpatrick is also king of "drag routes" because he ranks 1st in dyar for the drag route category (even tho he only threw 2 drag passes). 1 by aeneas1 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 16894 Joined: Sep 13 2015 Norcal Hall of Fame FO: Goff is king of the dig POST #8 Dick84 wrote:Hey... do those deep crossing routes happen to take longer to develop?longer than what?when looking at fo's breakdown one thing that jumps out is goff's average depth of target - he ranks top 10 in depth of target in 7 of the 13 route categories and ranks above league average in 10 of the 13 route categories.. goff, mcvay and the rams push the ball downfield, and i dig the hell out of it! by max 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 5580 Joined: Jun 01 2015 Sarasota, FL Hall of Fame FO: Goff is king of the dig POST #9 TOPIC AUTHOR aeneas1 wrote:it appears max thinks goff is "king of digs" because he ranks 1st in dyar in the digs category... by extension fitzpatrick is also king of "drag routes" because he ranks 1st in dyar for the drag route category (even tho he only threw 2 drag passes).Appearances are deceiving. I don’t think that FO thinks that. You see, that what “FO: Goff is the king of the dig” means. Maybe you missed the “FO” in the header. But you appear to think Goff is king of the deep cross because he throws a lot of them, even though his completion rate stunk. That’s like saying a kicker is the best because he had the most 60 yard attempts, even though he missed them all. ~ max ~“The consciousness of good intentions disdains ambiguity.” - Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers by max 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 5580 Joined: Jun 01 2015 Sarasota, FL Hall of Fame FO: Goff is king of the dig POST #10 TOPIC AUTHOR Dick84 wrote:Not sure if you're trying to redefine the article? There's a link. DYARDYAR (Defense-adjusted Yards Above Replacement) calculates each player's cumulative value above or below a "replacement-level" alternative. DYAR differs from DVOA in calculating a player's total value through the course of a year, and not on a play-for-play rate. States Football Outsiders, "DVOA, by virtue of being a percentage or rate statistic, doesn’t take into account the cumulative value of having a player producing at a league-median level over the course of an above-average number of plays. By definition, a median level of performance is better than that provided by half of the league and the ability to maintain that level of performance while carrying a heavy work load is very valuable indeed."[5]Not sure of your point. DYAR and DVOA are FO created stats. They are the ones ranking the QBs, not me. I just posted it. A1 took exception to their ranking, which is perfectly fine, but he used an illogical approach. You aren’t good at something just because you do it more than someone else. I sing a lot, and I stink. ~ max ~“The consciousness of good intentions disdains ambiguity.” - Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers Reply 1 / 2 1 2 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 12 posts Apr 19 2024
by max 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 5580 Joined: Jun 01 2015 Sarasota, FL Hall of Fame FO: Goff is king of the dig POST #6 TOPIC AUTHOR rams74 wrote:Seems like you're not quite getting into the spirit of the thing.Spirit of what?I posted the original post that showed how good Goff was in multiple categories, especially the dig routes, and also the deep post. He was tops in those 2 categories.There is no need to exaggerate what he did last year. He only competed 48.6% of his deep cross passes, that was only 24th best. How the heck does that make him king of the deep cross? Just because he threw a lot of them? Nah. ~ max ~“The consciousness of good intentions disdains ambiguity.” - Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers by aeneas1 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 16894 Joined: Sep 13 2015 Norcal Hall of Fame FO: Goff is king of the dig POST #7 dieterbrock liked this post rams74 wrote:Seems like you're not quite getting into the spirit of the thing.it appears max thinks goff is "king of digs" because he ranks 1st in dyar in the digs category... by extension fitzpatrick is also king of "drag routes" because he ranks 1st in dyar for the drag route category (even tho he only threw 2 drag passes). 1 by aeneas1 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 16894 Joined: Sep 13 2015 Norcal Hall of Fame FO: Goff is king of the dig POST #8 Dick84 wrote:Hey... do those deep crossing routes happen to take longer to develop?longer than what?when looking at fo's breakdown one thing that jumps out is goff's average depth of target - he ranks top 10 in depth of target in 7 of the 13 route categories and ranks above league average in 10 of the 13 route categories.. goff, mcvay and the rams push the ball downfield, and i dig the hell out of it! by max 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 5580 Joined: Jun 01 2015 Sarasota, FL Hall of Fame FO: Goff is king of the dig POST #9 TOPIC AUTHOR aeneas1 wrote:it appears max thinks goff is "king of digs" because he ranks 1st in dyar in the digs category... by extension fitzpatrick is also king of "drag routes" because he ranks 1st in dyar for the drag route category (even tho he only threw 2 drag passes).Appearances are deceiving. I don’t think that FO thinks that. You see, that what “FO: Goff is the king of the dig” means. Maybe you missed the “FO” in the header. But you appear to think Goff is king of the deep cross because he throws a lot of them, even though his completion rate stunk. That’s like saying a kicker is the best because he had the most 60 yard attempts, even though he missed them all. ~ max ~“The consciousness of good intentions disdains ambiguity.” - Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers by max 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 5580 Joined: Jun 01 2015 Sarasota, FL Hall of Fame FO: Goff is king of the dig POST #10 TOPIC AUTHOR Dick84 wrote:Not sure if you're trying to redefine the article? There's a link. DYARDYAR (Defense-adjusted Yards Above Replacement) calculates each player's cumulative value above or below a "replacement-level" alternative. DYAR differs from DVOA in calculating a player's total value through the course of a year, and not on a play-for-play rate. States Football Outsiders, "DVOA, by virtue of being a percentage or rate statistic, doesn’t take into account the cumulative value of having a player producing at a league-median level over the course of an above-average number of plays. By definition, a median level of performance is better than that provided by half of the league and the ability to maintain that level of performance while carrying a heavy work load is very valuable indeed."[5]Not sure of your point. DYAR and DVOA are FO created stats. They are the ones ranking the QBs, not me. I just posted it. A1 took exception to their ranking, which is perfectly fine, but he used an illogical approach. You aren’t good at something just because you do it more than someone else. I sing a lot, and I stink. ~ max ~“The consciousness of good intentions disdains ambiguity.” - Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers Reply 1 / 2 1 2 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 12 posts Apr 19 2024
by aeneas1 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 16894 Joined: Sep 13 2015 Norcal Hall of Fame FO: Goff is king of the dig POST #7 dieterbrock liked this post rams74 wrote:Seems like you're not quite getting into the spirit of the thing.it appears max thinks goff is "king of digs" because he ranks 1st in dyar in the digs category... by extension fitzpatrick is also king of "drag routes" because he ranks 1st in dyar for the drag route category (even tho he only threw 2 drag passes). 1 by aeneas1 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 16894 Joined: Sep 13 2015 Norcal Hall of Fame FO: Goff is king of the dig POST #8 Dick84 wrote:Hey... do those deep crossing routes happen to take longer to develop?longer than what?when looking at fo's breakdown one thing that jumps out is goff's average depth of target - he ranks top 10 in depth of target in 7 of the 13 route categories and ranks above league average in 10 of the 13 route categories.. goff, mcvay and the rams push the ball downfield, and i dig the hell out of it! by max 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 5580 Joined: Jun 01 2015 Sarasota, FL Hall of Fame FO: Goff is king of the dig POST #9 TOPIC AUTHOR aeneas1 wrote:it appears max thinks goff is "king of digs" because he ranks 1st in dyar in the digs category... by extension fitzpatrick is also king of "drag routes" because he ranks 1st in dyar for the drag route category (even tho he only threw 2 drag passes).Appearances are deceiving. I don’t think that FO thinks that. You see, that what “FO: Goff is the king of the dig” means. Maybe you missed the “FO” in the header. But you appear to think Goff is king of the deep cross because he throws a lot of them, even though his completion rate stunk. That’s like saying a kicker is the best because he had the most 60 yard attempts, even though he missed them all. ~ max ~“The consciousness of good intentions disdains ambiguity.” - Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers by max 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 5580 Joined: Jun 01 2015 Sarasota, FL Hall of Fame FO: Goff is king of the dig POST #10 TOPIC AUTHOR Dick84 wrote:Not sure if you're trying to redefine the article? There's a link. DYARDYAR (Defense-adjusted Yards Above Replacement) calculates each player's cumulative value above or below a "replacement-level" alternative. DYAR differs from DVOA in calculating a player's total value through the course of a year, and not on a play-for-play rate. States Football Outsiders, "DVOA, by virtue of being a percentage or rate statistic, doesn’t take into account the cumulative value of having a player producing at a league-median level over the course of an above-average number of plays. By definition, a median level of performance is better than that provided by half of the league and the ability to maintain that level of performance while carrying a heavy work load is very valuable indeed."[5]Not sure of your point. DYAR and DVOA are FO created stats. They are the ones ranking the QBs, not me. I just posted it. A1 took exception to their ranking, which is perfectly fine, but he used an illogical approach. You aren’t good at something just because you do it more than someone else. I sing a lot, and I stink. ~ max ~“The consciousness of good intentions disdains ambiguity.” - Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers Reply 1 / 2 1 2 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 12 posts Apr 19 2024
by aeneas1 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 16894 Joined: Sep 13 2015 Norcal Hall of Fame FO: Goff is king of the dig POST #8 Dick84 wrote:Hey... do those deep crossing routes happen to take longer to develop?longer than what?when looking at fo's breakdown one thing that jumps out is goff's average depth of target - he ranks top 10 in depth of target in 7 of the 13 route categories and ranks above league average in 10 of the 13 route categories.. goff, mcvay and the rams push the ball downfield, and i dig the hell out of it! by max 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 5580 Joined: Jun 01 2015 Sarasota, FL Hall of Fame FO: Goff is king of the dig POST #9 TOPIC AUTHOR aeneas1 wrote:it appears max thinks goff is "king of digs" because he ranks 1st in dyar in the digs category... by extension fitzpatrick is also king of "drag routes" because he ranks 1st in dyar for the drag route category (even tho he only threw 2 drag passes).Appearances are deceiving. I don’t think that FO thinks that. You see, that what “FO: Goff is the king of the dig” means. Maybe you missed the “FO” in the header. But you appear to think Goff is king of the deep cross because he throws a lot of them, even though his completion rate stunk. That’s like saying a kicker is the best because he had the most 60 yard attempts, even though he missed them all. ~ max ~“The consciousness of good intentions disdains ambiguity.” - Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers by max 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 5580 Joined: Jun 01 2015 Sarasota, FL Hall of Fame FO: Goff is king of the dig POST #10 TOPIC AUTHOR Dick84 wrote:Not sure if you're trying to redefine the article? There's a link. DYARDYAR (Defense-adjusted Yards Above Replacement) calculates each player's cumulative value above or below a "replacement-level" alternative. DYAR differs from DVOA in calculating a player's total value through the course of a year, and not on a play-for-play rate. States Football Outsiders, "DVOA, by virtue of being a percentage or rate statistic, doesn’t take into account the cumulative value of having a player producing at a league-median level over the course of an above-average number of plays. By definition, a median level of performance is better than that provided by half of the league and the ability to maintain that level of performance while carrying a heavy work load is very valuable indeed."[5]Not sure of your point. DYAR and DVOA are FO created stats. They are the ones ranking the QBs, not me. I just posted it. A1 took exception to their ranking, which is perfectly fine, but he used an illogical approach. You aren’t good at something just because you do it more than someone else. I sing a lot, and I stink. ~ max ~“The consciousness of good intentions disdains ambiguity.” - Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers Reply 1 / 2 1 2 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 12 posts Apr 19 2024
by max 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 5580 Joined: Jun 01 2015 Sarasota, FL Hall of Fame FO: Goff is king of the dig POST #9 TOPIC AUTHOR aeneas1 wrote:it appears max thinks goff is "king of digs" because he ranks 1st in dyar in the digs category... by extension fitzpatrick is also king of "drag routes" because he ranks 1st in dyar for the drag route category (even tho he only threw 2 drag passes).Appearances are deceiving. I don’t think that FO thinks that. You see, that what “FO: Goff is the king of the dig” means. Maybe you missed the “FO” in the header. But you appear to think Goff is king of the deep cross because he throws a lot of them, even though his completion rate stunk. That’s like saying a kicker is the best because he had the most 60 yard attempts, even though he missed them all. ~ max ~“The consciousness of good intentions disdains ambiguity.” - Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers by max 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 5580 Joined: Jun 01 2015 Sarasota, FL Hall of Fame FO: Goff is king of the dig POST #10 TOPIC AUTHOR Dick84 wrote:Not sure if you're trying to redefine the article? There's a link. DYARDYAR (Defense-adjusted Yards Above Replacement) calculates each player's cumulative value above or below a "replacement-level" alternative. DYAR differs from DVOA in calculating a player's total value through the course of a year, and not on a play-for-play rate. States Football Outsiders, "DVOA, by virtue of being a percentage or rate statistic, doesn’t take into account the cumulative value of having a player producing at a league-median level over the course of an above-average number of plays. By definition, a median level of performance is better than that provided by half of the league and the ability to maintain that level of performance while carrying a heavy work load is very valuable indeed."[5]Not sure of your point. DYAR and DVOA are FO created stats. They are the ones ranking the QBs, not me. I just posted it. A1 took exception to their ranking, which is perfectly fine, but he used an illogical approach. You aren’t good at something just because you do it more than someone else. I sing a lot, and I stink. ~ max ~“The consciousness of good intentions disdains ambiguity.” - Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers Reply 1 / 2 1 2 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 12 posts Apr 19 2024
by max 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 5580 Joined: Jun 01 2015 Sarasota, FL Hall of Fame FO: Goff is king of the dig POST #10 TOPIC AUTHOR Dick84 wrote:Not sure if you're trying to redefine the article? There's a link. DYARDYAR (Defense-adjusted Yards Above Replacement) calculates each player's cumulative value above or below a "replacement-level" alternative. DYAR differs from DVOA in calculating a player's total value through the course of a year, and not on a play-for-play rate. States Football Outsiders, "DVOA, by virtue of being a percentage or rate statistic, doesn’t take into account the cumulative value of having a player producing at a league-median level over the course of an above-average number of plays. By definition, a median level of performance is better than that provided by half of the league and the ability to maintain that level of performance while carrying a heavy work load is very valuable indeed."[5]Not sure of your point. DYAR and DVOA are FO created stats. They are the ones ranking the QBs, not me. I just posted it. A1 took exception to their ranking, which is perfectly fine, but he used an illogical approach. You aren’t good at something just because you do it more than someone else. I sing a lot, and I stink. ~ max ~“The consciousness of good intentions disdains ambiguity.” - Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers Reply 1 / 2 1 2 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business