by aeneas1 4 years 8 months ago Total posts: 16894 Joined: Sep 13 2015 Norcal Hall of Fame was mayfield's season highly overrated? POST #1 TOPIC AUTHOR was looking at mayfield's numbers recently and it's a bit hard to square all of the love he's received with the brutal numbers he posted against the better teams in the league last year, i.e. winning teams.record: 1-5tds: 10int: 11qb rating: 77.0completion %: 59.5average offensive points per game: 17.0bal (won) - 12 offensive points, 81.7 qb ratinghou (lost) - 13 offensive points, 75.4 qb ratinglac (lost) - 14 offensive points, 52.6 qbratingpit (lost) - 18 offensive points, 80.8 qb ratingkan (lost) - 21 offensive points, 95.0 qb ratingbal (lost) - 24 offensive points, 79.1 qb ratingagainst losing teams he did very well, and that's certainly reason for optimism, but boy did he play a lot of of bad teams that fielded bad defenses, for example the bengals twice (32nd in offensive points allowed), raiders (28th in offensive points allowed), the falcons (27th in offensive points allowed), etc., etc.the browns are the current media darlings, and the love has been mostly driven by mayfield, is he the real deal or will he be yet another browns high pick qb that flops? by Neil039 4 years 8 months ago Total posts: 2664 Joined: Feb 02 2016 LA Coliseum Superstar Re: is mayfield highly overrated? POST #2 Not hoping for an injury(not for any player, even a Patriot), but wouldn’t mind seeing the Browns fall flat on their face masks! The truly educated can listen to any view without losing their temper or self-confidence. by 69RamFan 4 years 8 months ago Total posts: 3175 Joined: Oct 15 2016 LA CA by way of NY/NJ Superstar was mayfield's season highly overrated? POST #3 R4L liked this post Wow,,, I didn't realize how bad he did against good teams...Actually on my other website,,, I said that with the addition skilled Vet players they signed, that the Browns would be a surprised team..... But not to sure now? 1 by aeneas1 4 years 8 months ago Total posts: 16894 Joined: Sep 13 2015 Norcal Hall of Fame was mayfield's season highly overrated? POST #4 TOPIC AUTHOR here's a look at how qbs fared against teams with a winning record last year, in terms of qb rating and w/l record: by aeneas1 4 years 8 months ago Total posts: 16894 Joined: Sep 13 2015 Norcal Hall of Fame was mayfield's season highly overrated? POST #5 TOPIC AUTHOR Dick84 wrote:It's tough... he did better.. for example.. against the Broncos than Goff. But Goff did appreciably better against other common opponents. But... Mayfield played those teams early on and his later season starts were much better. Tough to figure.hard to say how meaningful it is, especially given mayfield was just a rookie, but it's far from impressive from where i'm sitting, will be interesting to see if/how he rebounds against the better teams in 2019 - one thing is for sure, he certainly has some great offensive weapons at his disposal.also, if mayfield does live up to the immediate greatness many seem to be predicting, no one stands to be a bigger winner than all-world consensus bust greg robinson, who turns just 27 next month... hell, a couple of years of great success with mayfield under center, and before you know it robinson could be in a position to demand real left tackle money, go figure... in fact folks are already talking about the "new greg robinson" after just one season with mayfield, gotta love them apples!- Greg Robinson: Improvements to technique helping his career turnaround.- Greg Robinson’s perseverance pays off with pivotal role for Browns.- Greg Robinson's technical progress evident in Browns camp. by max 4 years 8 months ago Total posts: 5580 Joined: Jun 01 2015 Sarasota, FL Hall of Fame was mayfield's season highly overrated? POST #6 aeneas1 wrote:was looking at mayfield's numbers recently and it's a bit hard to square all of the love he's received with the brutal numbers he posted against the better teams in the league last year, i.e. winning teams.record: 1-5tds: 10int: 11qb rating: 77.0completion %: 59.5average offensive per game: 17.0bal (won) - 12 offensive points, 81.7 qb ratinghou (lost) - 13 offensive points, 75.4 qb ratinglac (lost) - 14 offensive points, 52.6 qbratingpit (lost) - 18 offensive points, 80.8 qb ratingkan (lost) - 21 offensive points, 95.0 qb ratingbal (lost) - 24 offensive points, 79.1 qb ratingagainst losing teams he did very well, and that's certainly reason for optimism, but boy did he play a lot of of bad teams that fielded bad defenses, for example the bengals twice (32nd in offensive points allowed), raiders (28th in offensive points allowed), the falcons (27th in offensive points allowed), etc., etc.the browns are the current media darlings, and the love has been mostly driven by mayfield, is he the real deal or will he be yet another browns high pick qb that flops?Brutal is a bit harsh of a word to use for those numbers you listed. If those are brutal numbers, what would you call a number like 19.1?A fluky off-game?Mayfield had a promising rookie year with a franchise that has been in the dumps for eons. And a HC that isn’t nearly as good as McVay. Maybe you can figure out a way to bash Mahomes numbers. I would enjoy reading that. ~ max ~“The consciousness of good intentions disdains ambiguity.” - Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers by aeneas1 4 years 8 months ago Total posts: 16894 Joined: Sep 13 2015 Norcal Hall of Fame was mayfield's season highly overrated? POST #7 TOPIC AUTHOR max wrote:Brutal is a bit harsh of a word to use for those numbers you listed.really? only 3 of 30 qualifying qbs posted a worse qb rating against teams with a winning record than mayfield, i find that brutal, especially for a guy who has become a media darling and the poster boy for qb excellence. max wrote:If those are brutal numbers, what would you call a number like 19.1?i'm glad you brought that up max - frankly i would call goff's 19.1 qb rating (in arctic conditions, in a year he led his team to the super bowl, in a year he made the pro bowl, in a year he finished with a 100+ qb rating for the second consecutive year) extremely alarming, extremely telling, and certainly reason for great concern... to be honest max, i'm actually stunned that he's looked as sharp as he has in camp and scrimmages so far given that 19.1 game, i fully expected bortles to be in the hunt for the starting job by now, especially considering he's never posted a qb rating below 33.anyway, i just hope mcvay knows what he's doing giving mr. 19.1 all of the 1 snaps, and saying that it's not a matter of if but when the rams will ink goff to a second contract, if the rams aren't careful they could wind up with one of these type of stiffs: by max 4 years 8 months ago Total posts: 5580 Joined: Jun 01 2015 Sarasota, FL Hall of Fame was mayfield's season highly overrated? POST #8 moklerman liked this post Dick84 wrote:It's tough... he did better.. for example.. against the Broncos than Goff. But Goff did appreciably better against other common opponents. But... Mayfield played those teams early on and his later season starts were much better. Tough to figure.Come on, Mayfield was a fucking rookie!Compare him to Goff’s rookie year. Oh, yeah, that’s not fair. ~ max ~“The consciousness of good intentions disdains ambiguity.” - Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers 1 by max 4 years 8 months ago Total posts: 5580 Joined: Jun 01 2015 Sarasota, FL Hall of Fame was mayfield's season highly overrated? POST #9 aeneas1 wrote:really? only 3 of 30 qualifying qbs posted a worse qb rating against teams with a winning record than mayfield, i find that brutal, especially for a guy who has become a media darling and the poster boy for qb excellence. i'm glad you brought that up max - frankly i would call goff's 19.1 qb rating (in arctic conditions, in a year he led his team to the super bowl, in a year he made the pro bowl, in a year he finished with a 100+ qb rating for the second consecutive year) extremely alarming, extremely telling, and certainly reason for great concern... to be honest max, i'm actually stunned that he's looked as sharp as he has in camp and scrimmages so far given that 19.1 game, i fully expected bortles to be in the hunt for the starting job by now, especially considering he's never posted a qb rating below 33.anyway, i just hope mcvay knows what he's doing giving mr. 19.1 all of the 1 snaps, and saying that it's not a matter of if but when the rams will ink goff to a second contract, if the rams aren't careful they could wind up with one of these type of stiffs:VirtualBox_2019-08-08_04-51-57.pngWhy don’t you compare rookie years?This is ridiculous. Comparing Goff in his 3rd year to Mayfield?Do you really believe that’s a fair comparison?Hey, I love what Goff is showing. The kid looks great. But downplaying Mayfield's rookie year is way off base. That kid threw 27 TDs in 14 games as a rookie. I don’t care who he played against, those are impressive numbers for a rookie QB on a historically bad team. Sometimes your bias is overwhelming. ~ max ~“The consciousness of good intentions disdains ambiguity.” - Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers by /zn/ 4 years 8 months ago Total posts: 6763 Joined: Jun 28 2015 Maine Hall of Fame was mayfield's season highly overrated? POST #10 Last edited by /zn/ on Aug 08 2019, edited 1 time in total. max wrote:Why don’t you compare rookie years?Mayfield as a rookie: 93.7 qb rating, 27 TD 14 INTSome other recent rookie years, going back to 2012 and using the same numbers . Note: as we know, some of these guys start okay then fade. "Blue" guys are ones that start out roughly as well as Mayfield or better: Allen: 67.9, 10 TD 12 INTDarnold: 77.6, 17 TD 15 INTJackson: 84.5, 6 TD 3 INTTrubisky: 77.5, 7 TD 7 INTWatson: 103.0, 19 TD 8 INTWentz: 79.3, 16 TD 14 INTWinston: 84.2, 22 TD 15 INTMariota: 91.5, 19 TD 10 INBridgewater: 85.2, 14 TD 12 INTBortles: 69.5, 11 TD 19 INT Carr: 76.6, 21 TD 12 INTWilson: 100.0, 26 TD 10 INTLuck: 76.5, 23 TD 18 INTFoles: 76.1, 6 TD 5 INTTannenhill: 76.1, 12 TD 13 INT Reply 1 / 7 1 7 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 61 posts Apr 19 2024 FOLLOW US @RAMSFANSUNITED Who liked this post
by Neil039 4 years 8 months ago Total posts: 2664 Joined: Feb 02 2016 LA Coliseum Superstar Re: is mayfield highly overrated? POST #2 Not hoping for an injury(not for any player, even a Patriot), but wouldn’t mind seeing the Browns fall flat on their face masks! The truly educated can listen to any view without losing their temper or self-confidence. by 69RamFan 4 years 8 months ago Total posts: 3175 Joined: Oct 15 2016 LA CA by way of NY/NJ Superstar was mayfield's season highly overrated? POST #3 R4L liked this post Wow,,, I didn't realize how bad he did against good teams...Actually on my other website,,, I said that with the addition skilled Vet players they signed, that the Browns would be a surprised team..... But not to sure now? 1 by aeneas1 4 years 8 months ago Total posts: 16894 Joined: Sep 13 2015 Norcal Hall of Fame was mayfield's season highly overrated? POST #4 TOPIC AUTHOR here's a look at how qbs fared against teams with a winning record last year, in terms of qb rating and w/l record: by aeneas1 4 years 8 months ago Total posts: 16894 Joined: Sep 13 2015 Norcal Hall of Fame was mayfield's season highly overrated? POST #5 TOPIC AUTHOR Dick84 wrote:It's tough... he did better.. for example.. against the Broncos than Goff. But Goff did appreciably better against other common opponents. But... Mayfield played those teams early on and his later season starts were much better. Tough to figure.hard to say how meaningful it is, especially given mayfield was just a rookie, but it's far from impressive from where i'm sitting, will be interesting to see if/how he rebounds against the better teams in 2019 - one thing is for sure, he certainly has some great offensive weapons at his disposal.also, if mayfield does live up to the immediate greatness many seem to be predicting, no one stands to be a bigger winner than all-world consensus bust greg robinson, who turns just 27 next month... hell, a couple of years of great success with mayfield under center, and before you know it robinson could be in a position to demand real left tackle money, go figure... in fact folks are already talking about the "new greg robinson" after just one season with mayfield, gotta love them apples!- Greg Robinson: Improvements to technique helping his career turnaround.- Greg Robinson’s perseverance pays off with pivotal role for Browns.- Greg Robinson's technical progress evident in Browns camp. by max 4 years 8 months ago Total posts: 5580 Joined: Jun 01 2015 Sarasota, FL Hall of Fame was mayfield's season highly overrated? POST #6 aeneas1 wrote:was looking at mayfield's numbers recently and it's a bit hard to square all of the love he's received with the brutal numbers he posted against the better teams in the league last year, i.e. winning teams.record: 1-5tds: 10int: 11qb rating: 77.0completion %: 59.5average offensive per game: 17.0bal (won) - 12 offensive points, 81.7 qb ratinghou (lost) - 13 offensive points, 75.4 qb ratinglac (lost) - 14 offensive points, 52.6 qbratingpit (lost) - 18 offensive points, 80.8 qb ratingkan (lost) - 21 offensive points, 95.0 qb ratingbal (lost) - 24 offensive points, 79.1 qb ratingagainst losing teams he did very well, and that's certainly reason for optimism, but boy did he play a lot of of bad teams that fielded bad defenses, for example the bengals twice (32nd in offensive points allowed), raiders (28th in offensive points allowed), the falcons (27th in offensive points allowed), etc., etc.the browns are the current media darlings, and the love has been mostly driven by mayfield, is he the real deal or will he be yet another browns high pick qb that flops?Brutal is a bit harsh of a word to use for those numbers you listed. If those are brutal numbers, what would you call a number like 19.1?A fluky off-game?Mayfield had a promising rookie year with a franchise that has been in the dumps for eons. And a HC that isn’t nearly as good as McVay. Maybe you can figure out a way to bash Mahomes numbers. I would enjoy reading that. ~ max ~“The consciousness of good intentions disdains ambiguity.” - Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers by aeneas1 4 years 8 months ago Total posts: 16894 Joined: Sep 13 2015 Norcal Hall of Fame was mayfield's season highly overrated? POST #7 TOPIC AUTHOR max wrote:Brutal is a bit harsh of a word to use for those numbers you listed.really? only 3 of 30 qualifying qbs posted a worse qb rating against teams with a winning record than mayfield, i find that brutal, especially for a guy who has become a media darling and the poster boy for qb excellence. max wrote:If those are brutal numbers, what would you call a number like 19.1?i'm glad you brought that up max - frankly i would call goff's 19.1 qb rating (in arctic conditions, in a year he led his team to the super bowl, in a year he made the pro bowl, in a year he finished with a 100+ qb rating for the second consecutive year) extremely alarming, extremely telling, and certainly reason for great concern... to be honest max, i'm actually stunned that he's looked as sharp as he has in camp and scrimmages so far given that 19.1 game, i fully expected bortles to be in the hunt for the starting job by now, especially considering he's never posted a qb rating below 33.anyway, i just hope mcvay knows what he's doing giving mr. 19.1 all of the 1 snaps, and saying that it's not a matter of if but when the rams will ink goff to a second contract, if the rams aren't careful they could wind up with one of these type of stiffs: by max 4 years 8 months ago Total posts: 5580 Joined: Jun 01 2015 Sarasota, FL Hall of Fame was mayfield's season highly overrated? POST #8 moklerman liked this post Dick84 wrote:It's tough... he did better.. for example.. against the Broncos than Goff. But Goff did appreciably better against other common opponents. But... Mayfield played those teams early on and his later season starts were much better. Tough to figure.Come on, Mayfield was a fucking rookie!Compare him to Goff’s rookie year. Oh, yeah, that’s not fair. ~ max ~“The consciousness of good intentions disdains ambiguity.” - Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers 1 by max 4 years 8 months ago Total posts: 5580 Joined: Jun 01 2015 Sarasota, FL Hall of Fame was mayfield's season highly overrated? POST #9 aeneas1 wrote:really? only 3 of 30 qualifying qbs posted a worse qb rating against teams with a winning record than mayfield, i find that brutal, especially for a guy who has become a media darling and the poster boy for qb excellence. i'm glad you brought that up max - frankly i would call goff's 19.1 qb rating (in arctic conditions, in a year he led his team to the super bowl, in a year he made the pro bowl, in a year he finished with a 100+ qb rating for the second consecutive year) extremely alarming, extremely telling, and certainly reason for great concern... to be honest max, i'm actually stunned that he's looked as sharp as he has in camp and scrimmages so far given that 19.1 game, i fully expected bortles to be in the hunt for the starting job by now, especially considering he's never posted a qb rating below 33.anyway, i just hope mcvay knows what he's doing giving mr. 19.1 all of the 1 snaps, and saying that it's not a matter of if but when the rams will ink goff to a second contract, if the rams aren't careful they could wind up with one of these type of stiffs:VirtualBox_2019-08-08_04-51-57.pngWhy don’t you compare rookie years?This is ridiculous. Comparing Goff in his 3rd year to Mayfield?Do you really believe that’s a fair comparison?Hey, I love what Goff is showing. The kid looks great. But downplaying Mayfield's rookie year is way off base. That kid threw 27 TDs in 14 games as a rookie. I don’t care who he played against, those are impressive numbers for a rookie QB on a historically bad team. Sometimes your bias is overwhelming. ~ max ~“The consciousness of good intentions disdains ambiguity.” - Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers by /zn/ 4 years 8 months ago Total posts: 6763 Joined: Jun 28 2015 Maine Hall of Fame was mayfield's season highly overrated? POST #10 Last edited by /zn/ on Aug 08 2019, edited 1 time in total. max wrote:Why don’t you compare rookie years?Mayfield as a rookie: 93.7 qb rating, 27 TD 14 INTSome other recent rookie years, going back to 2012 and using the same numbers . Note: as we know, some of these guys start okay then fade. "Blue" guys are ones that start out roughly as well as Mayfield or better: Allen: 67.9, 10 TD 12 INTDarnold: 77.6, 17 TD 15 INTJackson: 84.5, 6 TD 3 INTTrubisky: 77.5, 7 TD 7 INTWatson: 103.0, 19 TD 8 INTWentz: 79.3, 16 TD 14 INTWinston: 84.2, 22 TD 15 INTMariota: 91.5, 19 TD 10 INBridgewater: 85.2, 14 TD 12 INTBortles: 69.5, 11 TD 19 INT Carr: 76.6, 21 TD 12 INTWilson: 100.0, 26 TD 10 INTLuck: 76.5, 23 TD 18 INTFoles: 76.1, 6 TD 5 INTTannenhill: 76.1, 12 TD 13 INT Reply 1 / 7 1 7 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 61 posts Apr 19 2024 FOLLOW US @RAMSFANSUNITED Who liked this post
by 69RamFan 4 years 8 months ago Total posts: 3175 Joined: Oct 15 2016 LA CA by way of NY/NJ Superstar was mayfield's season highly overrated? POST #3 R4L liked this post Wow,,, I didn't realize how bad he did against good teams...Actually on my other website,,, I said that with the addition skilled Vet players they signed, that the Browns would be a surprised team..... But not to sure now? 1 by aeneas1 4 years 8 months ago Total posts: 16894 Joined: Sep 13 2015 Norcal Hall of Fame was mayfield's season highly overrated? POST #4 TOPIC AUTHOR here's a look at how qbs fared against teams with a winning record last year, in terms of qb rating and w/l record: by aeneas1 4 years 8 months ago Total posts: 16894 Joined: Sep 13 2015 Norcal Hall of Fame was mayfield's season highly overrated? POST #5 TOPIC AUTHOR Dick84 wrote:It's tough... he did better.. for example.. against the Broncos than Goff. But Goff did appreciably better against other common opponents. But... Mayfield played those teams early on and his later season starts were much better. Tough to figure.hard to say how meaningful it is, especially given mayfield was just a rookie, but it's far from impressive from where i'm sitting, will be interesting to see if/how he rebounds against the better teams in 2019 - one thing is for sure, he certainly has some great offensive weapons at his disposal.also, if mayfield does live up to the immediate greatness many seem to be predicting, no one stands to be a bigger winner than all-world consensus bust greg robinson, who turns just 27 next month... hell, a couple of years of great success with mayfield under center, and before you know it robinson could be in a position to demand real left tackle money, go figure... in fact folks are already talking about the "new greg robinson" after just one season with mayfield, gotta love them apples!- Greg Robinson: Improvements to technique helping his career turnaround.- Greg Robinson’s perseverance pays off with pivotal role for Browns.- Greg Robinson's technical progress evident in Browns camp. by max 4 years 8 months ago Total posts: 5580 Joined: Jun 01 2015 Sarasota, FL Hall of Fame was mayfield's season highly overrated? POST #6 aeneas1 wrote:was looking at mayfield's numbers recently and it's a bit hard to square all of the love he's received with the brutal numbers he posted against the better teams in the league last year, i.e. winning teams.record: 1-5tds: 10int: 11qb rating: 77.0completion %: 59.5average offensive per game: 17.0bal (won) - 12 offensive points, 81.7 qb ratinghou (lost) - 13 offensive points, 75.4 qb ratinglac (lost) - 14 offensive points, 52.6 qbratingpit (lost) - 18 offensive points, 80.8 qb ratingkan (lost) - 21 offensive points, 95.0 qb ratingbal (lost) - 24 offensive points, 79.1 qb ratingagainst losing teams he did very well, and that's certainly reason for optimism, but boy did he play a lot of of bad teams that fielded bad defenses, for example the bengals twice (32nd in offensive points allowed), raiders (28th in offensive points allowed), the falcons (27th in offensive points allowed), etc., etc.the browns are the current media darlings, and the love has been mostly driven by mayfield, is he the real deal or will he be yet another browns high pick qb that flops?Brutal is a bit harsh of a word to use for those numbers you listed. If those are brutal numbers, what would you call a number like 19.1?A fluky off-game?Mayfield had a promising rookie year with a franchise that has been in the dumps for eons. And a HC that isn’t nearly as good as McVay. Maybe you can figure out a way to bash Mahomes numbers. I would enjoy reading that. ~ max ~“The consciousness of good intentions disdains ambiguity.” - Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers by aeneas1 4 years 8 months ago Total posts: 16894 Joined: Sep 13 2015 Norcal Hall of Fame was mayfield's season highly overrated? POST #7 TOPIC AUTHOR max wrote:Brutal is a bit harsh of a word to use for those numbers you listed.really? only 3 of 30 qualifying qbs posted a worse qb rating against teams with a winning record than mayfield, i find that brutal, especially for a guy who has become a media darling and the poster boy for qb excellence. max wrote:If those are brutal numbers, what would you call a number like 19.1?i'm glad you brought that up max - frankly i would call goff's 19.1 qb rating (in arctic conditions, in a year he led his team to the super bowl, in a year he made the pro bowl, in a year he finished with a 100+ qb rating for the second consecutive year) extremely alarming, extremely telling, and certainly reason for great concern... to be honest max, i'm actually stunned that he's looked as sharp as he has in camp and scrimmages so far given that 19.1 game, i fully expected bortles to be in the hunt for the starting job by now, especially considering he's never posted a qb rating below 33.anyway, i just hope mcvay knows what he's doing giving mr. 19.1 all of the 1 snaps, and saying that it's not a matter of if but when the rams will ink goff to a second contract, if the rams aren't careful they could wind up with one of these type of stiffs: by max 4 years 8 months ago Total posts: 5580 Joined: Jun 01 2015 Sarasota, FL Hall of Fame was mayfield's season highly overrated? POST #8 moklerman liked this post Dick84 wrote:It's tough... he did better.. for example.. against the Broncos than Goff. But Goff did appreciably better against other common opponents. But... Mayfield played those teams early on and his later season starts were much better. Tough to figure.Come on, Mayfield was a fucking rookie!Compare him to Goff’s rookie year. Oh, yeah, that’s not fair. ~ max ~“The consciousness of good intentions disdains ambiguity.” - Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers 1 by max 4 years 8 months ago Total posts: 5580 Joined: Jun 01 2015 Sarasota, FL Hall of Fame was mayfield's season highly overrated? POST #9 aeneas1 wrote:really? only 3 of 30 qualifying qbs posted a worse qb rating against teams with a winning record than mayfield, i find that brutal, especially for a guy who has become a media darling and the poster boy for qb excellence. i'm glad you brought that up max - frankly i would call goff's 19.1 qb rating (in arctic conditions, in a year he led his team to the super bowl, in a year he made the pro bowl, in a year he finished with a 100+ qb rating for the second consecutive year) extremely alarming, extremely telling, and certainly reason for great concern... to be honest max, i'm actually stunned that he's looked as sharp as he has in camp and scrimmages so far given that 19.1 game, i fully expected bortles to be in the hunt for the starting job by now, especially considering he's never posted a qb rating below 33.anyway, i just hope mcvay knows what he's doing giving mr. 19.1 all of the 1 snaps, and saying that it's not a matter of if but when the rams will ink goff to a second contract, if the rams aren't careful they could wind up with one of these type of stiffs:VirtualBox_2019-08-08_04-51-57.pngWhy don’t you compare rookie years?This is ridiculous. Comparing Goff in his 3rd year to Mayfield?Do you really believe that’s a fair comparison?Hey, I love what Goff is showing. The kid looks great. But downplaying Mayfield's rookie year is way off base. That kid threw 27 TDs in 14 games as a rookie. I don’t care who he played against, those are impressive numbers for a rookie QB on a historically bad team. Sometimes your bias is overwhelming. ~ max ~“The consciousness of good intentions disdains ambiguity.” - Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers by /zn/ 4 years 8 months ago Total posts: 6763 Joined: Jun 28 2015 Maine Hall of Fame was mayfield's season highly overrated? POST #10 Last edited by /zn/ on Aug 08 2019, edited 1 time in total. max wrote:Why don’t you compare rookie years?Mayfield as a rookie: 93.7 qb rating, 27 TD 14 INTSome other recent rookie years, going back to 2012 and using the same numbers . Note: as we know, some of these guys start okay then fade. "Blue" guys are ones that start out roughly as well as Mayfield or better: Allen: 67.9, 10 TD 12 INTDarnold: 77.6, 17 TD 15 INTJackson: 84.5, 6 TD 3 INTTrubisky: 77.5, 7 TD 7 INTWatson: 103.0, 19 TD 8 INTWentz: 79.3, 16 TD 14 INTWinston: 84.2, 22 TD 15 INTMariota: 91.5, 19 TD 10 INBridgewater: 85.2, 14 TD 12 INTBortles: 69.5, 11 TD 19 INT Carr: 76.6, 21 TD 12 INTWilson: 100.0, 26 TD 10 INTLuck: 76.5, 23 TD 18 INTFoles: 76.1, 6 TD 5 INTTannenhill: 76.1, 12 TD 13 INT Reply 1 / 7 1 7 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 61 posts Apr 19 2024 FOLLOW US @RAMSFANSUNITED Who liked this post
by aeneas1 4 years 8 months ago Total posts: 16894 Joined: Sep 13 2015 Norcal Hall of Fame was mayfield's season highly overrated? POST #4 TOPIC AUTHOR here's a look at how qbs fared against teams with a winning record last year, in terms of qb rating and w/l record: by aeneas1 4 years 8 months ago Total posts: 16894 Joined: Sep 13 2015 Norcal Hall of Fame was mayfield's season highly overrated? POST #5 TOPIC AUTHOR Dick84 wrote:It's tough... he did better.. for example.. against the Broncos than Goff. But Goff did appreciably better against other common opponents. But... Mayfield played those teams early on and his later season starts were much better. Tough to figure.hard to say how meaningful it is, especially given mayfield was just a rookie, but it's far from impressive from where i'm sitting, will be interesting to see if/how he rebounds against the better teams in 2019 - one thing is for sure, he certainly has some great offensive weapons at his disposal.also, if mayfield does live up to the immediate greatness many seem to be predicting, no one stands to be a bigger winner than all-world consensus bust greg robinson, who turns just 27 next month... hell, a couple of years of great success with mayfield under center, and before you know it robinson could be in a position to demand real left tackle money, go figure... in fact folks are already talking about the "new greg robinson" after just one season with mayfield, gotta love them apples!- Greg Robinson: Improvements to technique helping his career turnaround.- Greg Robinson’s perseverance pays off with pivotal role for Browns.- Greg Robinson's technical progress evident in Browns camp. by max 4 years 8 months ago Total posts: 5580 Joined: Jun 01 2015 Sarasota, FL Hall of Fame was mayfield's season highly overrated? POST #6 aeneas1 wrote:was looking at mayfield's numbers recently and it's a bit hard to square all of the love he's received with the brutal numbers he posted against the better teams in the league last year, i.e. winning teams.record: 1-5tds: 10int: 11qb rating: 77.0completion %: 59.5average offensive per game: 17.0bal (won) - 12 offensive points, 81.7 qb ratinghou (lost) - 13 offensive points, 75.4 qb ratinglac (lost) - 14 offensive points, 52.6 qbratingpit (lost) - 18 offensive points, 80.8 qb ratingkan (lost) - 21 offensive points, 95.0 qb ratingbal (lost) - 24 offensive points, 79.1 qb ratingagainst losing teams he did very well, and that's certainly reason for optimism, but boy did he play a lot of of bad teams that fielded bad defenses, for example the bengals twice (32nd in offensive points allowed), raiders (28th in offensive points allowed), the falcons (27th in offensive points allowed), etc., etc.the browns are the current media darlings, and the love has been mostly driven by mayfield, is he the real deal or will he be yet another browns high pick qb that flops?Brutal is a bit harsh of a word to use for those numbers you listed. If those are brutal numbers, what would you call a number like 19.1?A fluky off-game?Mayfield had a promising rookie year with a franchise that has been in the dumps for eons. And a HC that isn’t nearly as good as McVay. Maybe you can figure out a way to bash Mahomes numbers. I would enjoy reading that. ~ max ~“The consciousness of good intentions disdains ambiguity.” - Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers by aeneas1 4 years 8 months ago Total posts: 16894 Joined: Sep 13 2015 Norcal Hall of Fame was mayfield's season highly overrated? POST #7 TOPIC AUTHOR max wrote:Brutal is a bit harsh of a word to use for those numbers you listed.really? only 3 of 30 qualifying qbs posted a worse qb rating against teams with a winning record than mayfield, i find that brutal, especially for a guy who has become a media darling and the poster boy for qb excellence. max wrote:If those are brutal numbers, what would you call a number like 19.1?i'm glad you brought that up max - frankly i would call goff's 19.1 qb rating (in arctic conditions, in a year he led his team to the super bowl, in a year he made the pro bowl, in a year he finished with a 100+ qb rating for the second consecutive year) extremely alarming, extremely telling, and certainly reason for great concern... to be honest max, i'm actually stunned that he's looked as sharp as he has in camp and scrimmages so far given that 19.1 game, i fully expected bortles to be in the hunt for the starting job by now, especially considering he's never posted a qb rating below 33.anyway, i just hope mcvay knows what he's doing giving mr. 19.1 all of the 1 snaps, and saying that it's not a matter of if but when the rams will ink goff to a second contract, if the rams aren't careful they could wind up with one of these type of stiffs: by max 4 years 8 months ago Total posts: 5580 Joined: Jun 01 2015 Sarasota, FL Hall of Fame was mayfield's season highly overrated? POST #8 moklerman liked this post Dick84 wrote:It's tough... he did better.. for example.. against the Broncos than Goff. But Goff did appreciably better against other common opponents. But... Mayfield played those teams early on and his later season starts were much better. Tough to figure.Come on, Mayfield was a fucking rookie!Compare him to Goff’s rookie year. Oh, yeah, that’s not fair. ~ max ~“The consciousness of good intentions disdains ambiguity.” - Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers 1 by max 4 years 8 months ago Total posts: 5580 Joined: Jun 01 2015 Sarasota, FL Hall of Fame was mayfield's season highly overrated? POST #9 aeneas1 wrote:really? only 3 of 30 qualifying qbs posted a worse qb rating against teams with a winning record than mayfield, i find that brutal, especially for a guy who has become a media darling and the poster boy for qb excellence. i'm glad you brought that up max - frankly i would call goff's 19.1 qb rating (in arctic conditions, in a year he led his team to the super bowl, in a year he made the pro bowl, in a year he finished with a 100+ qb rating for the second consecutive year) extremely alarming, extremely telling, and certainly reason for great concern... to be honest max, i'm actually stunned that he's looked as sharp as he has in camp and scrimmages so far given that 19.1 game, i fully expected bortles to be in the hunt for the starting job by now, especially considering he's never posted a qb rating below 33.anyway, i just hope mcvay knows what he's doing giving mr. 19.1 all of the 1 snaps, and saying that it's not a matter of if but when the rams will ink goff to a second contract, if the rams aren't careful they could wind up with one of these type of stiffs:VirtualBox_2019-08-08_04-51-57.pngWhy don’t you compare rookie years?This is ridiculous. Comparing Goff in his 3rd year to Mayfield?Do you really believe that’s a fair comparison?Hey, I love what Goff is showing. The kid looks great. But downplaying Mayfield's rookie year is way off base. That kid threw 27 TDs in 14 games as a rookie. I don’t care who he played against, those are impressive numbers for a rookie QB on a historically bad team. Sometimes your bias is overwhelming. ~ max ~“The consciousness of good intentions disdains ambiguity.” - Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers by /zn/ 4 years 8 months ago Total posts: 6763 Joined: Jun 28 2015 Maine Hall of Fame was mayfield's season highly overrated? POST #10 Last edited by /zn/ on Aug 08 2019, edited 1 time in total. max wrote:Why don’t you compare rookie years?Mayfield as a rookie: 93.7 qb rating, 27 TD 14 INTSome other recent rookie years, going back to 2012 and using the same numbers . Note: as we know, some of these guys start okay then fade. "Blue" guys are ones that start out roughly as well as Mayfield or better: Allen: 67.9, 10 TD 12 INTDarnold: 77.6, 17 TD 15 INTJackson: 84.5, 6 TD 3 INTTrubisky: 77.5, 7 TD 7 INTWatson: 103.0, 19 TD 8 INTWentz: 79.3, 16 TD 14 INTWinston: 84.2, 22 TD 15 INTMariota: 91.5, 19 TD 10 INBridgewater: 85.2, 14 TD 12 INTBortles: 69.5, 11 TD 19 INT Carr: 76.6, 21 TD 12 INTWilson: 100.0, 26 TD 10 INTLuck: 76.5, 23 TD 18 INTFoles: 76.1, 6 TD 5 INTTannenhill: 76.1, 12 TD 13 INT Reply 1 / 7 1 7 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 61 posts Apr 19 2024 FOLLOW US @RAMSFANSUNITED Who liked this post
by aeneas1 4 years 8 months ago Total posts: 16894 Joined: Sep 13 2015 Norcal Hall of Fame was mayfield's season highly overrated? POST #5 TOPIC AUTHOR Dick84 wrote:It's tough... he did better.. for example.. against the Broncos than Goff. But Goff did appreciably better against other common opponents. But... Mayfield played those teams early on and his later season starts were much better. Tough to figure.hard to say how meaningful it is, especially given mayfield was just a rookie, but it's far from impressive from where i'm sitting, will be interesting to see if/how he rebounds against the better teams in 2019 - one thing is for sure, he certainly has some great offensive weapons at his disposal.also, if mayfield does live up to the immediate greatness many seem to be predicting, no one stands to be a bigger winner than all-world consensus bust greg robinson, who turns just 27 next month... hell, a couple of years of great success with mayfield under center, and before you know it robinson could be in a position to demand real left tackle money, go figure... in fact folks are already talking about the "new greg robinson" after just one season with mayfield, gotta love them apples!- Greg Robinson: Improvements to technique helping his career turnaround.- Greg Robinson’s perseverance pays off with pivotal role for Browns.- Greg Robinson's technical progress evident in Browns camp. by max 4 years 8 months ago Total posts: 5580 Joined: Jun 01 2015 Sarasota, FL Hall of Fame was mayfield's season highly overrated? POST #6 aeneas1 wrote:was looking at mayfield's numbers recently and it's a bit hard to square all of the love he's received with the brutal numbers he posted against the better teams in the league last year, i.e. winning teams.record: 1-5tds: 10int: 11qb rating: 77.0completion %: 59.5average offensive per game: 17.0bal (won) - 12 offensive points, 81.7 qb ratinghou (lost) - 13 offensive points, 75.4 qb ratinglac (lost) - 14 offensive points, 52.6 qbratingpit (lost) - 18 offensive points, 80.8 qb ratingkan (lost) - 21 offensive points, 95.0 qb ratingbal (lost) - 24 offensive points, 79.1 qb ratingagainst losing teams he did very well, and that's certainly reason for optimism, but boy did he play a lot of of bad teams that fielded bad defenses, for example the bengals twice (32nd in offensive points allowed), raiders (28th in offensive points allowed), the falcons (27th in offensive points allowed), etc., etc.the browns are the current media darlings, and the love has been mostly driven by mayfield, is he the real deal or will he be yet another browns high pick qb that flops?Brutal is a bit harsh of a word to use for those numbers you listed. If those are brutal numbers, what would you call a number like 19.1?A fluky off-game?Mayfield had a promising rookie year with a franchise that has been in the dumps for eons. And a HC that isn’t nearly as good as McVay. Maybe you can figure out a way to bash Mahomes numbers. I would enjoy reading that. ~ max ~“The consciousness of good intentions disdains ambiguity.” - Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers by aeneas1 4 years 8 months ago Total posts: 16894 Joined: Sep 13 2015 Norcal Hall of Fame was mayfield's season highly overrated? POST #7 TOPIC AUTHOR max wrote:Brutal is a bit harsh of a word to use for those numbers you listed.really? only 3 of 30 qualifying qbs posted a worse qb rating against teams with a winning record than mayfield, i find that brutal, especially for a guy who has become a media darling and the poster boy for qb excellence. max wrote:If those are brutal numbers, what would you call a number like 19.1?i'm glad you brought that up max - frankly i would call goff's 19.1 qb rating (in arctic conditions, in a year he led his team to the super bowl, in a year he made the pro bowl, in a year he finished with a 100+ qb rating for the second consecutive year) extremely alarming, extremely telling, and certainly reason for great concern... to be honest max, i'm actually stunned that he's looked as sharp as he has in camp and scrimmages so far given that 19.1 game, i fully expected bortles to be in the hunt for the starting job by now, especially considering he's never posted a qb rating below 33.anyway, i just hope mcvay knows what he's doing giving mr. 19.1 all of the 1 snaps, and saying that it's not a matter of if but when the rams will ink goff to a second contract, if the rams aren't careful they could wind up with one of these type of stiffs: by max 4 years 8 months ago Total posts: 5580 Joined: Jun 01 2015 Sarasota, FL Hall of Fame was mayfield's season highly overrated? POST #8 moklerman liked this post Dick84 wrote:It's tough... he did better.. for example.. against the Broncos than Goff. But Goff did appreciably better against other common opponents. But... Mayfield played those teams early on and his later season starts were much better. Tough to figure.Come on, Mayfield was a fucking rookie!Compare him to Goff’s rookie year. Oh, yeah, that’s not fair. ~ max ~“The consciousness of good intentions disdains ambiguity.” - Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers 1 by max 4 years 8 months ago Total posts: 5580 Joined: Jun 01 2015 Sarasota, FL Hall of Fame was mayfield's season highly overrated? POST #9 aeneas1 wrote:really? only 3 of 30 qualifying qbs posted a worse qb rating against teams with a winning record than mayfield, i find that brutal, especially for a guy who has become a media darling and the poster boy for qb excellence. i'm glad you brought that up max - frankly i would call goff's 19.1 qb rating (in arctic conditions, in a year he led his team to the super bowl, in a year he made the pro bowl, in a year he finished with a 100+ qb rating for the second consecutive year) extremely alarming, extremely telling, and certainly reason for great concern... to be honest max, i'm actually stunned that he's looked as sharp as he has in camp and scrimmages so far given that 19.1 game, i fully expected bortles to be in the hunt for the starting job by now, especially considering he's never posted a qb rating below 33.anyway, i just hope mcvay knows what he's doing giving mr. 19.1 all of the 1 snaps, and saying that it's not a matter of if but when the rams will ink goff to a second contract, if the rams aren't careful they could wind up with one of these type of stiffs:VirtualBox_2019-08-08_04-51-57.pngWhy don’t you compare rookie years?This is ridiculous. Comparing Goff in his 3rd year to Mayfield?Do you really believe that’s a fair comparison?Hey, I love what Goff is showing. The kid looks great. But downplaying Mayfield's rookie year is way off base. That kid threw 27 TDs in 14 games as a rookie. I don’t care who he played against, those are impressive numbers for a rookie QB on a historically bad team. Sometimes your bias is overwhelming. ~ max ~“The consciousness of good intentions disdains ambiguity.” - Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers by /zn/ 4 years 8 months ago Total posts: 6763 Joined: Jun 28 2015 Maine Hall of Fame was mayfield's season highly overrated? POST #10 Last edited by /zn/ on Aug 08 2019, edited 1 time in total. max wrote:Why don’t you compare rookie years?Mayfield as a rookie: 93.7 qb rating, 27 TD 14 INTSome other recent rookie years, going back to 2012 and using the same numbers . Note: as we know, some of these guys start okay then fade. "Blue" guys are ones that start out roughly as well as Mayfield or better: Allen: 67.9, 10 TD 12 INTDarnold: 77.6, 17 TD 15 INTJackson: 84.5, 6 TD 3 INTTrubisky: 77.5, 7 TD 7 INTWatson: 103.0, 19 TD 8 INTWentz: 79.3, 16 TD 14 INTWinston: 84.2, 22 TD 15 INTMariota: 91.5, 19 TD 10 INBridgewater: 85.2, 14 TD 12 INTBortles: 69.5, 11 TD 19 INT Carr: 76.6, 21 TD 12 INTWilson: 100.0, 26 TD 10 INTLuck: 76.5, 23 TD 18 INTFoles: 76.1, 6 TD 5 INTTannenhill: 76.1, 12 TD 13 INT Reply 1 / 7 1 7 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 61 posts Apr 19 2024
by max 4 years 8 months ago Total posts: 5580 Joined: Jun 01 2015 Sarasota, FL Hall of Fame was mayfield's season highly overrated? POST #6 aeneas1 wrote:was looking at mayfield's numbers recently and it's a bit hard to square all of the love he's received with the brutal numbers he posted against the better teams in the league last year, i.e. winning teams.record: 1-5tds: 10int: 11qb rating: 77.0completion %: 59.5average offensive per game: 17.0bal (won) - 12 offensive points, 81.7 qb ratinghou (lost) - 13 offensive points, 75.4 qb ratinglac (lost) - 14 offensive points, 52.6 qbratingpit (lost) - 18 offensive points, 80.8 qb ratingkan (lost) - 21 offensive points, 95.0 qb ratingbal (lost) - 24 offensive points, 79.1 qb ratingagainst losing teams he did very well, and that's certainly reason for optimism, but boy did he play a lot of of bad teams that fielded bad defenses, for example the bengals twice (32nd in offensive points allowed), raiders (28th in offensive points allowed), the falcons (27th in offensive points allowed), etc., etc.the browns are the current media darlings, and the love has been mostly driven by mayfield, is he the real deal or will he be yet another browns high pick qb that flops?Brutal is a bit harsh of a word to use for those numbers you listed. If those are brutal numbers, what would you call a number like 19.1?A fluky off-game?Mayfield had a promising rookie year with a franchise that has been in the dumps for eons. And a HC that isn’t nearly as good as McVay. Maybe you can figure out a way to bash Mahomes numbers. I would enjoy reading that. ~ max ~“The consciousness of good intentions disdains ambiguity.” - Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers by aeneas1 4 years 8 months ago Total posts: 16894 Joined: Sep 13 2015 Norcal Hall of Fame was mayfield's season highly overrated? POST #7 TOPIC AUTHOR max wrote:Brutal is a bit harsh of a word to use for those numbers you listed.really? only 3 of 30 qualifying qbs posted a worse qb rating against teams with a winning record than mayfield, i find that brutal, especially for a guy who has become a media darling and the poster boy for qb excellence. max wrote:If those are brutal numbers, what would you call a number like 19.1?i'm glad you brought that up max - frankly i would call goff's 19.1 qb rating (in arctic conditions, in a year he led his team to the super bowl, in a year he made the pro bowl, in a year he finished with a 100+ qb rating for the second consecutive year) extremely alarming, extremely telling, and certainly reason for great concern... to be honest max, i'm actually stunned that he's looked as sharp as he has in camp and scrimmages so far given that 19.1 game, i fully expected bortles to be in the hunt for the starting job by now, especially considering he's never posted a qb rating below 33.anyway, i just hope mcvay knows what he's doing giving mr. 19.1 all of the 1 snaps, and saying that it's not a matter of if but when the rams will ink goff to a second contract, if the rams aren't careful they could wind up with one of these type of stiffs: by max 4 years 8 months ago Total posts: 5580 Joined: Jun 01 2015 Sarasota, FL Hall of Fame was mayfield's season highly overrated? POST #8 moklerman liked this post Dick84 wrote:It's tough... he did better.. for example.. against the Broncos than Goff. But Goff did appreciably better against other common opponents. But... Mayfield played those teams early on and his later season starts were much better. Tough to figure.Come on, Mayfield was a fucking rookie!Compare him to Goff’s rookie year. Oh, yeah, that’s not fair. ~ max ~“The consciousness of good intentions disdains ambiguity.” - Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers 1 by max 4 years 8 months ago Total posts: 5580 Joined: Jun 01 2015 Sarasota, FL Hall of Fame was mayfield's season highly overrated? POST #9 aeneas1 wrote:really? only 3 of 30 qualifying qbs posted a worse qb rating against teams with a winning record than mayfield, i find that brutal, especially for a guy who has become a media darling and the poster boy for qb excellence. i'm glad you brought that up max - frankly i would call goff's 19.1 qb rating (in arctic conditions, in a year he led his team to the super bowl, in a year he made the pro bowl, in a year he finished with a 100+ qb rating for the second consecutive year) extremely alarming, extremely telling, and certainly reason for great concern... to be honest max, i'm actually stunned that he's looked as sharp as he has in camp and scrimmages so far given that 19.1 game, i fully expected bortles to be in the hunt for the starting job by now, especially considering he's never posted a qb rating below 33.anyway, i just hope mcvay knows what he's doing giving mr. 19.1 all of the 1 snaps, and saying that it's not a matter of if but when the rams will ink goff to a second contract, if the rams aren't careful they could wind up with one of these type of stiffs:VirtualBox_2019-08-08_04-51-57.pngWhy don’t you compare rookie years?This is ridiculous. Comparing Goff in his 3rd year to Mayfield?Do you really believe that’s a fair comparison?Hey, I love what Goff is showing. The kid looks great. But downplaying Mayfield's rookie year is way off base. That kid threw 27 TDs in 14 games as a rookie. I don’t care who he played against, those are impressive numbers for a rookie QB on a historically bad team. Sometimes your bias is overwhelming. ~ max ~“The consciousness of good intentions disdains ambiguity.” - Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers by /zn/ 4 years 8 months ago Total posts: 6763 Joined: Jun 28 2015 Maine Hall of Fame was mayfield's season highly overrated? POST #10 Last edited by /zn/ on Aug 08 2019, edited 1 time in total. max wrote:Why don’t you compare rookie years?Mayfield as a rookie: 93.7 qb rating, 27 TD 14 INTSome other recent rookie years, going back to 2012 and using the same numbers . Note: as we know, some of these guys start okay then fade. "Blue" guys are ones that start out roughly as well as Mayfield or better: Allen: 67.9, 10 TD 12 INTDarnold: 77.6, 17 TD 15 INTJackson: 84.5, 6 TD 3 INTTrubisky: 77.5, 7 TD 7 INTWatson: 103.0, 19 TD 8 INTWentz: 79.3, 16 TD 14 INTWinston: 84.2, 22 TD 15 INTMariota: 91.5, 19 TD 10 INBridgewater: 85.2, 14 TD 12 INTBortles: 69.5, 11 TD 19 INT Carr: 76.6, 21 TD 12 INTWilson: 100.0, 26 TD 10 INTLuck: 76.5, 23 TD 18 INTFoles: 76.1, 6 TD 5 INTTannenhill: 76.1, 12 TD 13 INT Reply 1 / 7 1 7 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 61 posts Apr 19 2024
by aeneas1 4 years 8 months ago Total posts: 16894 Joined: Sep 13 2015 Norcal Hall of Fame was mayfield's season highly overrated? POST #7 TOPIC AUTHOR max wrote:Brutal is a bit harsh of a word to use for those numbers you listed.really? only 3 of 30 qualifying qbs posted a worse qb rating against teams with a winning record than mayfield, i find that brutal, especially for a guy who has become a media darling and the poster boy for qb excellence. max wrote:If those are brutal numbers, what would you call a number like 19.1?i'm glad you brought that up max - frankly i would call goff's 19.1 qb rating (in arctic conditions, in a year he led his team to the super bowl, in a year he made the pro bowl, in a year he finished with a 100+ qb rating for the second consecutive year) extremely alarming, extremely telling, and certainly reason for great concern... to be honest max, i'm actually stunned that he's looked as sharp as he has in camp and scrimmages so far given that 19.1 game, i fully expected bortles to be in the hunt for the starting job by now, especially considering he's never posted a qb rating below 33.anyway, i just hope mcvay knows what he's doing giving mr. 19.1 all of the 1 snaps, and saying that it's not a matter of if but when the rams will ink goff to a second contract, if the rams aren't careful they could wind up with one of these type of stiffs: by max 4 years 8 months ago Total posts: 5580 Joined: Jun 01 2015 Sarasota, FL Hall of Fame was mayfield's season highly overrated? POST #8 moklerman liked this post Dick84 wrote:It's tough... he did better.. for example.. against the Broncos than Goff. But Goff did appreciably better against other common opponents. But... Mayfield played those teams early on and his later season starts were much better. Tough to figure.Come on, Mayfield was a fucking rookie!Compare him to Goff’s rookie year. Oh, yeah, that’s not fair. ~ max ~“The consciousness of good intentions disdains ambiguity.” - Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers 1 by max 4 years 8 months ago Total posts: 5580 Joined: Jun 01 2015 Sarasota, FL Hall of Fame was mayfield's season highly overrated? POST #9 aeneas1 wrote:really? only 3 of 30 qualifying qbs posted a worse qb rating against teams with a winning record than mayfield, i find that brutal, especially for a guy who has become a media darling and the poster boy for qb excellence. i'm glad you brought that up max - frankly i would call goff's 19.1 qb rating (in arctic conditions, in a year he led his team to the super bowl, in a year he made the pro bowl, in a year he finished with a 100+ qb rating for the second consecutive year) extremely alarming, extremely telling, and certainly reason for great concern... to be honest max, i'm actually stunned that he's looked as sharp as he has in camp and scrimmages so far given that 19.1 game, i fully expected bortles to be in the hunt for the starting job by now, especially considering he's never posted a qb rating below 33.anyway, i just hope mcvay knows what he's doing giving mr. 19.1 all of the 1 snaps, and saying that it's not a matter of if but when the rams will ink goff to a second contract, if the rams aren't careful they could wind up with one of these type of stiffs:VirtualBox_2019-08-08_04-51-57.pngWhy don’t you compare rookie years?This is ridiculous. Comparing Goff in his 3rd year to Mayfield?Do you really believe that’s a fair comparison?Hey, I love what Goff is showing. The kid looks great. But downplaying Mayfield's rookie year is way off base. That kid threw 27 TDs in 14 games as a rookie. I don’t care who he played against, those are impressive numbers for a rookie QB on a historically bad team. Sometimes your bias is overwhelming. ~ max ~“The consciousness of good intentions disdains ambiguity.” - Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers by /zn/ 4 years 8 months ago Total posts: 6763 Joined: Jun 28 2015 Maine Hall of Fame was mayfield's season highly overrated? POST #10 Last edited by /zn/ on Aug 08 2019, edited 1 time in total. max wrote:Why don’t you compare rookie years?Mayfield as a rookie: 93.7 qb rating, 27 TD 14 INTSome other recent rookie years, going back to 2012 and using the same numbers . Note: as we know, some of these guys start okay then fade. "Blue" guys are ones that start out roughly as well as Mayfield or better: Allen: 67.9, 10 TD 12 INTDarnold: 77.6, 17 TD 15 INTJackson: 84.5, 6 TD 3 INTTrubisky: 77.5, 7 TD 7 INTWatson: 103.0, 19 TD 8 INTWentz: 79.3, 16 TD 14 INTWinston: 84.2, 22 TD 15 INTMariota: 91.5, 19 TD 10 INBridgewater: 85.2, 14 TD 12 INTBortles: 69.5, 11 TD 19 INT Carr: 76.6, 21 TD 12 INTWilson: 100.0, 26 TD 10 INTLuck: 76.5, 23 TD 18 INTFoles: 76.1, 6 TD 5 INTTannenhill: 76.1, 12 TD 13 INT Reply 1 / 7 1 7 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 61 posts Apr 19 2024
by max 4 years 8 months ago Total posts: 5580 Joined: Jun 01 2015 Sarasota, FL Hall of Fame was mayfield's season highly overrated? POST #8 moklerman liked this post Dick84 wrote:It's tough... he did better.. for example.. against the Broncos than Goff. But Goff did appreciably better against other common opponents. But... Mayfield played those teams early on and his later season starts were much better. Tough to figure.Come on, Mayfield was a fucking rookie!Compare him to Goff’s rookie year. Oh, yeah, that’s not fair. ~ max ~“The consciousness of good intentions disdains ambiguity.” - Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers 1 by max 4 years 8 months ago Total posts: 5580 Joined: Jun 01 2015 Sarasota, FL Hall of Fame was mayfield's season highly overrated? POST #9 aeneas1 wrote:really? only 3 of 30 qualifying qbs posted a worse qb rating against teams with a winning record than mayfield, i find that brutal, especially for a guy who has become a media darling and the poster boy for qb excellence. i'm glad you brought that up max - frankly i would call goff's 19.1 qb rating (in arctic conditions, in a year he led his team to the super bowl, in a year he made the pro bowl, in a year he finished with a 100+ qb rating for the second consecutive year) extremely alarming, extremely telling, and certainly reason for great concern... to be honest max, i'm actually stunned that he's looked as sharp as he has in camp and scrimmages so far given that 19.1 game, i fully expected bortles to be in the hunt for the starting job by now, especially considering he's never posted a qb rating below 33.anyway, i just hope mcvay knows what he's doing giving mr. 19.1 all of the 1 snaps, and saying that it's not a matter of if but when the rams will ink goff to a second contract, if the rams aren't careful they could wind up with one of these type of stiffs:VirtualBox_2019-08-08_04-51-57.pngWhy don’t you compare rookie years?This is ridiculous. Comparing Goff in his 3rd year to Mayfield?Do you really believe that’s a fair comparison?Hey, I love what Goff is showing. The kid looks great. But downplaying Mayfield's rookie year is way off base. That kid threw 27 TDs in 14 games as a rookie. I don’t care who he played against, those are impressive numbers for a rookie QB on a historically bad team. Sometimes your bias is overwhelming. ~ max ~“The consciousness of good intentions disdains ambiguity.” - Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers by /zn/ 4 years 8 months ago Total posts: 6763 Joined: Jun 28 2015 Maine Hall of Fame was mayfield's season highly overrated? POST #10 Last edited by /zn/ on Aug 08 2019, edited 1 time in total. max wrote:Why don’t you compare rookie years?Mayfield as a rookie: 93.7 qb rating, 27 TD 14 INTSome other recent rookie years, going back to 2012 and using the same numbers . Note: as we know, some of these guys start okay then fade. "Blue" guys are ones that start out roughly as well as Mayfield or better: Allen: 67.9, 10 TD 12 INTDarnold: 77.6, 17 TD 15 INTJackson: 84.5, 6 TD 3 INTTrubisky: 77.5, 7 TD 7 INTWatson: 103.0, 19 TD 8 INTWentz: 79.3, 16 TD 14 INTWinston: 84.2, 22 TD 15 INTMariota: 91.5, 19 TD 10 INBridgewater: 85.2, 14 TD 12 INTBortles: 69.5, 11 TD 19 INT Carr: 76.6, 21 TD 12 INTWilson: 100.0, 26 TD 10 INTLuck: 76.5, 23 TD 18 INTFoles: 76.1, 6 TD 5 INTTannenhill: 76.1, 12 TD 13 INT Reply 1 / 7 1 7 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 61 posts Apr 19 2024
by max 4 years 8 months ago Total posts: 5580 Joined: Jun 01 2015 Sarasota, FL Hall of Fame was mayfield's season highly overrated? POST #9 aeneas1 wrote:really? only 3 of 30 qualifying qbs posted a worse qb rating against teams with a winning record than mayfield, i find that brutal, especially for a guy who has become a media darling and the poster boy for qb excellence. i'm glad you brought that up max - frankly i would call goff's 19.1 qb rating (in arctic conditions, in a year he led his team to the super bowl, in a year he made the pro bowl, in a year he finished with a 100+ qb rating for the second consecutive year) extremely alarming, extremely telling, and certainly reason for great concern... to be honest max, i'm actually stunned that he's looked as sharp as he has in camp and scrimmages so far given that 19.1 game, i fully expected bortles to be in the hunt for the starting job by now, especially considering he's never posted a qb rating below 33.anyway, i just hope mcvay knows what he's doing giving mr. 19.1 all of the 1 snaps, and saying that it's not a matter of if but when the rams will ink goff to a second contract, if the rams aren't careful they could wind up with one of these type of stiffs:VirtualBox_2019-08-08_04-51-57.pngWhy don’t you compare rookie years?This is ridiculous. Comparing Goff in his 3rd year to Mayfield?Do you really believe that’s a fair comparison?Hey, I love what Goff is showing. The kid looks great. But downplaying Mayfield's rookie year is way off base. That kid threw 27 TDs in 14 games as a rookie. I don’t care who he played against, those are impressive numbers for a rookie QB on a historically bad team. Sometimes your bias is overwhelming. ~ max ~“The consciousness of good intentions disdains ambiguity.” - Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers by /zn/ 4 years 8 months ago Total posts: 6763 Joined: Jun 28 2015 Maine Hall of Fame was mayfield's season highly overrated? POST #10 Last edited by /zn/ on Aug 08 2019, edited 1 time in total. max wrote:Why don’t you compare rookie years?Mayfield as a rookie: 93.7 qb rating, 27 TD 14 INTSome other recent rookie years, going back to 2012 and using the same numbers . Note: as we know, some of these guys start okay then fade. "Blue" guys are ones that start out roughly as well as Mayfield or better: Allen: 67.9, 10 TD 12 INTDarnold: 77.6, 17 TD 15 INTJackson: 84.5, 6 TD 3 INTTrubisky: 77.5, 7 TD 7 INTWatson: 103.0, 19 TD 8 INTWentz: 79.3, 16 TD 14 INTWinston: 84.2, 22 TD 15 INTMariota: 91.5, 19 TD 10 INBridgewater: 85.2, 14 TD 12 INTBortles: 69.5, 11 TD 19 INT Carr: 76.6, 21 TD 12 INTWilson: 100.0, 26 TD 10 INTLuck: 76.5, 23 TD 18 INTFoles: 76.1, 6 TD 5 INTTannenhill: 76.1, 12 TD 13 INT Reply 1 / 7 1 7 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 61 posts Apr 19 2024
by /zn/ 4 years 8 months ago Total posts: 6763 Joined: Jun 28 2015 Maine Hall of Fame was mayfield's season highly overrated? POST #10 Last edited by /zn/ on Aug 08 2019, edited 1 time in total. max wrote:Why don’t you compare rookie years?Mayfield as a rookie: 93.7 qb rating, 27 TD 14 INTSome other recent rookie years, going back to 2012 and using the same numbers . Note: as we know, some of these guys start okay then fade. "Blue" guys are ones that start out roughly as well as Mayfield or better: Allen: 67.9, 10 TD 12 INTDarnold: 77.6, 17 TD 15 INTJackson: 84.5, 6 TD 3 INTTrubisky: 77.5, 7 TD 7 INTWatson: 103.0, 19 TD 8 INTWentz: 79.3, 16 TD 14 INTWinston: 84.2, 22 TD 15 INTMariota: 91.5, 19 TD 10 INBridgewater: 85.2, 14 TD 12 INTBortles: 69.5, 11 TD 19 INT Carr: 76.6, 21 TD 12 INTWilson: 100.0, 26 TD 10 INTLuck: 76.5, 23 TD 18 INTFoles: 76.1, 6 TD 5 INTTannenhill: 76.1, 12 TD 13 INT Reply 1 / 7 1 7 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business