[snackdaddy]

Brady is a system QB.

Like with Goff, its a pretty good system.

[AvengerRam]

The question of "how do you rank current starting QBs?" (by tiers or otherwise) and "who would you trade Goff for?" are very different questions.

Looking at Sando's list at face value, there are 12 QBs ranked above Goff. Of them, I'd argue that at least 7 have peaked, meaning that we've already seen their best season (Rodgers, Brady, Brees, Rivers, Roethlisberger, Ryan, Stafford). Two others, Wilson and Luck, may still have their best season ahead of them, or may not.

That leaves only Mahomes, Wentz and Watson as guys who, like Goff, are still young (Goff is 24, Mahomes and Watson are 23, Wentz is 26) and, in my opinion, are clearly players with their best years ahead of them.

So, I have no beef with those who are putting more accomplished QBs ahead of Goff in a ranking, but most of them are not guys I'd trade Goff for today.

[Elvis]

Some more fuel for the fire:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000 ... -the-class

2016 NFL Draft revisited: Ranking the top 10 players in the class

By David Carr
NFL.com Analyst
Published: July 22, 2019 at 08:22 a.m. Updated: July 22, 2019 at 11:01 p.m.

NFL Network's "Top 100 Players of 2019" airs daily at 9 p.m. ET over the next two weeks, unveiling a new set of 10 honorees in each installment. In Episode 1, two guys from the 2016 NFL Draft class -- Carson Wentz and Derrick Henry -- were revealed at Nos. 96 and 99, respectively. With that in mind, NFL Network analyst and former No. 1 overall pick David Carr provides his own ranking: the top 10 players from the 2016 draft.

1
Ezekiel Elliott
RB
Cowboys
Draft slot: Round 1, No. 4 overall

Zeke has led the NFL in rushing yards in two of his three years in the league (while boasting the highest yards-per-game average in all three). Over 15 games last season, he racked up 1,434 rushing yards -- more than 100 yards clear of the next-best rusher (Saquon Barkley). Elliott is arguably the most valuable non-quarterback in the league, as he dictates coverage and takes a ton of pressure off Dak Prescott. Even with all the attention the Cowboys back receives from opposing defenses, I won't be surprised when he leads the league in rushing yards again this season.

2
Michael Thomas
WR
Saints
Draft slot: Round 2, No. 47 overall

Thomas has been a reliable target since Day 1 with the Saints, but he finally received nation-wide recognition in 2018 after finishing with career and franchise highs in receptions (125) and receiving yards (1,405). He has a big catch radius, great hands and a good feel in space. Some receivers run routes without knowing where they are in coverage, but Thomas' awareness makes him a huge threat in Sean Payton's offense.

3
Jalen Ramsey
CB
Jaguars
Draft slot: Round 1, No. 5 overall

Ramsey has been every bit the player the Jaguars envisioned -- and then some -- when they selected him fifth overall. Since 2016, Ramsey has allowed the third-lowest completion percentage (52.9) and fourth-lowest passer rating (71.6) in coverage among 98 cornerbacks with at least 200 targets, per Pro Football Focus. The two-time Pro Bowler is tasked with helping the Jags' ever-talented defense get back to its 2017 form, an effort the shutdown corner is certainly capable of leading.

4
Tyreek Hill
WR
Chiefs
Draft slot: Round 5, No. 165 overall

The league announced on Friday that Hill will not be suspended following its investigation of recent child abuse allegations. So, Hill is expected to report to training camp with the rest of the Chiefs' veterans on July 26 after being banned from offseason club activities since April. Strictly judging his on-field production, the 25-year-old has quickly established himself as the NFL's preeminent home run hitter at the receiver position. Last season alone, on throws of 20-plus air yards, he led the league in targets (42), receptions (18) and receiving yards (714) and was third in receiving touchdowns (six), per Next Gen Stats.

5
Joey Bosa
DE
Chargers
Draft slot: Round 1, No. 3 overall

Bosa has been better than I expected him to be when he came into the league, piling up 28.5 sacks over his first NFL 35 games. He doesn't have a ton of pass-rush moves, but is relentless in pursuit of the quarterback. Unlike many others, Bosa makes a lot of plays on his second effort because he simply refuses to stay blocked. This is why he's such a force when healthy.

6
Jared Goff
QB
Rams
Draft slot: Round 1, No. 1 overall

Goff has gotten better and better with each passing year, taking huge leaps in each of Sean McVay's first two seasons as Rams head coach. In 2018, he set career highs in several categories (64.9 completion percentage, 4,688 passing yards, 32 passing touchdowns) and helped the Rams string together a 13-3 season that ended in the Super Bowl. Goff's postseason performance wasn't great, but the continuity on L.A.'s offense will allow him to immediately get back on track in September. With slot receiver Cooper Kupp back in the fold and hopefully a more healthy Todd Gurley, Goff should be headed for another career year.

7
Chris Jones
DE
Chiefs
Draft slot: Round 2, No. 37 overall

Jones is coming off a breakout campaign that saw him log 15.5 sacks. There are defensive players the quarterback must be aware of at all times, and Jones is certainly one of them, due to his explosive ability. He should make more noise in 2019, especially with Frank Clark joining the party up front.

8
Carson Wentz
QB
Eagles
Draft slot: Round 1, No. 2 overall

Wentz has shown great ability in his first three NFL seasons. Unfortunately, despite the Eagles making the playoffs in each of the last two seasons, Wentz has yet to play in a postseason game. He watched the Eagles soar to the franchise's first Super Bowl title two seasons ago after a torn ACL had ended his season in Week 14. Then a back injury sidelined him last year, with Nick Foles leading Philly to an upset playoff win at Chicago and a near-victory in New Orleans. Wentz has the capability to help the Eagles get back to the Super Bowl, but he must make better decisions on the field. He can extend plays as well as anyone -- and does a good job of keeping his eyes downfield when doing so -- yet he has a tendency to put himself in risky situations (as I point out in the video above). I love Wentz, but he must be available for his team when the postseason comes.

9
Deion Jones
LB
Falcons
Draft slot: Round 2, No. 52 overall

Jones is a dynamic playmaker for the Falcons' defense. This actually became even more apparent when he wasn't on the field for the majority of last season (missed 10 games with a foot injury), as the unit finished the year ranked 28th overall. The Falcons certainly appreciate his value, having just handed the 24-year-old a four-year, $57 million extension. With three pick-sixes in his three NFL seasons, Jones isn't a linebacker offenses can consistently beat in coverage because his sideline-to-sideline speed makes it extremely difficult for pass catchers to separate on shallow-crossing routes.

10
Kevin Byard
S
Titans
Draft slot: Round 3, No. 64 overall

The last spot on this list came down to a pair of Titans: Byard and RB Derrick Henry. I was initially tempted to go with Henry, given the way he took the league by storm last December, but Byard has established himself as one of the very best players at his position. With an NFL-best 12 picks and 24 passes defensed over the last two seasons, the former third-round pick out of Middle Tennessee State is an absolute ballhawk in the back end. He's also quite stout against the run (90 tackles in 2018), effective as a blitzer (two sacks, five QB hits last season) and as durable as they come (hasn't missed a game in three NFL seasons while leading the Titans' defense in snaps in each of the past two).
Follow David Carr on Twitter @DCarr8.

[moklerman]

The bottom line, for now, is that "the NFL" thinks of Goff as a 2nd/3rd tier QB...and they moved him UP from last year(!).

So, not only is it not idiotic to not have him as elite, it's much more of the reverse. To consider him elite at this point goes against what coaches and NFL execs feel about him.

Much of the league feels that he is a system QB who can't carry the team when you put the game on his shoulders. All the supposedly fictional dreams of hater fans are what the NFL actually think.

But the silver lining is that Goff can use it as fuel to prove everyone wrong. Based on his history I think the underdog role is where he's best.

I know that I'd be very pleased if he made the improvements in his game that are now considered shortcomings.

[max]

The question of "how do you rank current starting QBs?" (by tiers or otherwise) and "who would you trade Goff for?" are very different questions.

Looking at Sando's list at face value, there are 12 QBs ranked above Goff. Of them, I'd argue that at least 7 have peaked, meaning that we've already seen their best season (Rodgers, Brady, Brees, Rivers, Roethlisberger, Ryan, Stafford). Two others, Wilson and Luck, may still have their best season ahead of them, or may not.

That leaves only Mahomes, Wentz and Watson as guys who, like Goff, are still young (Goff is 24, Mahomes and Watson are 23, Wentz is 26) and, in my opinion, are clearly players with their best years ahead of them.

So, I have no beef with those who are putting more accomplished QBs ahead of Goff in a ranking, but most of them are not guys I'd trade Goff for today.

This is a fine post. Nice job.

Son of a doctor, right?

[AvengerRam]

This is a fine post. Nice job.

Son of a doctor, right?

Yes. And, thanks.

[moklerman]

I guess the Goff/Wentz draft comparisons still generate talk for Eagles fans too:
https://www.bleedinggreennation.com/201 ... geles-rams
I wonder how much cost/replacement talk has gone on for the Eagles with Foles winning the big games but paying Wentz the big money? I think this writer may be projecting the Eagles' problems onto the Rams though. He doesn't predict the Rams will not pay Goff but I don't think there will even be much of a discussion about it.

[aeneas1]

Some more fuel for the fire:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000 ... -the-class

2016 NFL Draft revisited: Ranking the top 10 players in the class

By David Carr
NFL.com Analyst
Published: July 22, 2019 at 08:22 a.m. Updated: July 22, 2019 at 11:01 p.m.

NFL Network's "Top 100 Players of 2019" airs daily at 9 p.m. ET over the next two weeks, unveiling a new set of 10 honorees in each installment. In Episode 1, two guys from the 2016 NFL Draft class -- Carson Wentz and Derrick Henry -- were revealed at Nos. 96 and 99, respectively. With that in mind, NFL Network analyst and former No. 1 overall pick David Carr provides his own ranking: the top 10 players from the 2016 draft.

i think all but one or two of carr's guys made last year's top 100 list, guess 2016 was a pretty good draft class, ha ha.... speaking of carr, he was the first overall pick in 2002, i wonder where he would rank himself in that draft class? anyway, the rams needed a qb like no one's business when they drafted goff in 2016, not a zeke, bosa, thomas, etc., and how great is it that their qb pick paid off, and pretty handsomely to boot so far?

[Elvis]

And he does have Goff ahead of Wentz...

[max]

I guess the Goff/Wentz draft comparisons still generate talk for Eagles fans too:
https://www.bleedinggreennation.com/201 ... geles-rams
I wonder how much cost/replacement talk has gone on for the Eagles with Foles winning the big games but paying Wentz the big money? I think this writer may be projecting the Eagles' problems onto the Rams though. He doesn't predict the Rams will not pay Goff but I don't think there will even be much of a discussion about it.

Wow. That was a drubbing they gave Goff over there. They basically said Goff sucks.