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 by aeneas1
3 months ago
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United States of America   Norcal
Hall of Fame

so how many guys from fisher's 2016 4-12 team played for mcvay's 2018 super bowl team? all told, a whopping 65% of the guys who played an offensive or defensive snap for fisher in 2016 didn't play for mcvay in 2018, a whopping 65% were gone just two years later... guess it's true, you gotta crack some eggs to make an omelette!

percentage of snaps each guy played for fisher in 2016 and mcvay in 2018, red text = guys who played for mcvay in 2018:

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 by Neil039
3 months ago
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United States of America   LA Coliseum
Pro Bowl

It was obvious to many of us the roster was very incomplete with Fisher making decisions. Good to see Snead actually doing his J O B with regards to the draft and free agency.

 by Gareth
3 months ago
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On the other hand, in one season they went from the horrible Fisher 4-12 team to a very good playoff team the next year. I don’t have the numbers but obviously they had a lot more Fisher players still on the team that year.

 by aeneas1
3 months ago
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Neil039 wrote:It was obvious to many of us the roster was very incomplete with Fisher making decisions.

didn't help that fisher wasn't remotely close to having goff ready for the season opener, and declared keenum the guy from the get-go, the guy who put the rams in playoffs, as keenum proceeded to lead the rams to average of 14.8 offensive points per game before finally getting yanked... then again, rams fans should be thrilled that fish didn't get his hooks into goff earlier, it might have ruined goff's career!

 by snackdaddy
3 months ago
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McVay turned it around very quick using a combination of Fisher's best players and acquiring some key new guys like Whitworth, Woods, Sullivan and Watkins. Drafted Kupp to round out the receiver group. Then improved the next year with Cooks, Suh, Talib and Peters.

Fisher didn't really put a lot of value in receivers unless they could block well on run plays. McVay put value in playmakers.

 by Rams1PlateSince1976
3 months ago
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United States of America   LA Coliseum
Pro Bowl

I think McVay's wide-outs are pretty complete players and fairly good blockers. Stats anyone?
Fisher had problems drafting OLmen who could block.

 by aeneas1
3 months ago
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Rams1PlateSince1976 wrote:I think McVay's wide-outs are pretty complete players and fairly good blockers. Stats anyone?
Fisher had problems drafting OLmen who could block.

yeah, mcvay's 11 scheme has asked a lot from the wide receivers in terms of blocking, not just downfield but line of scrimmage blocking as well, and they've excelled at it... fisher? he simply believed that you could play winning football with a strong defense and an offense that didn't get in the way, an offense that ran the ball in effort to reduce mistakes and opponent possessions, opponent opportunities, it was the very definition of playing not to lose football.... i'll never forget steve young's comments during a rams/niners game, he was at a complete loss trying to explain what fisher's rams were attempting to do on offense, and finally said that he had never seen an offense play so much "horizontal" ball, and that at some point during the season they were going to have to try to go vertical if they intended to score any points. he nailed it.

 by HarRam
3 months ago
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The biggest change, in my estimation, was the coaching, especially on offense. Gurley hit it on the head when he called the Rams' offense "middle school" under Fisher. The OC was a joke--in over his head. It is now a pleasure just seeing that plays work by design. Receivers are open by design. Running plays have running lanes, by design. The plays are designed for the down and distance.

That 4-12 team had talent. If I recall, they should have been 8-8, with losses to the Dolphins, Giants, Lions, and one other, that should have been wins. Frustrating season. Keenum was a capable QB. Gurley was a good RB. The OL was so-so. The receiving corps was weak but still, the production should have been better. It's telling that Keenum and Foles both went on to be top 25% QB's with better coaching.

Finally, how does that 65% turnover compare to the rest of the League?

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