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 by ramsrams
3 months ago
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 Joined:  Feb 06 2016
Canada   Mississauga, ON
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None taken a1.

Fully admit I trust my eyes more than a subjective missed tackle “ stat”.

Perhaps because statistics came so easily to me, I recognize the inherent weaknesses in them.

I am not totally hopeless, I created a yards per point metric to show the inefficiency of the Rams offense back at RRF.

It is fashionable to jump on the analytics bandwagon, particularly among a subset of the younger generation ( sorry bro, if I have approximated your age correctly, you don’t qualify :D ) that seems to delight in some misguided superiority attitude to those who don’t fully embrace that numbers are the be all and end all.

When teams stop sending scouts to watch the games, I’ll pay more attention.

 by aeneas1
3 months ago
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United States of America   Norcal
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ramsrams wrote:None taken a1.

Fully admit I trust my eyes more than a subjective missed tackle “ stat”.

Perhaps because statistics came so easily to me, I recognize the inherent weaknesses in them.

I am not totally hopeless, I created a yards per point metric to show the inefficiency of the Rams offense back at RRF.

It is fashionable to jump on the analytics bandwagon, particularly among a subset of the younger generation ( sorry bro, if I have approximated your age correctly, you don’t qualify :D ) that seems to delight in some misguided superiority attitude to those who don’t fully embrace that numbers are the be all and end all.

When teams stop sending scouts to watch the games, I’ll pay more attention.

:thumbsup:

hey, speaking of "missed tackles" stats, they correlate very poorly to offensive points allowed, true story!

 by Dick84
3 months ago
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Italy   LA Coliseum
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It's funny... I read/hear complaints about how the teams don't practice enough and don't hit enough.... yet, McVay makes it a habit of giving the last day of mini camp off if there's great participation in the OTAs.
Know who else is cutting back on Mini camp?
Patriots.

 by aeneas1
3 months ago
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United States of America   Norcal
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Dick84 wrote:It's funny... I read/hear complaints about how the teams don't practice enough and don't hit enough.... yet, McVay makes it a habit of giving the last day of mini camp off if there's great participation in the OTAs.
Know who else is cutting back on Mini camp?
Patriots.

these guys have played football their entire lives, and when not playing they've been weight room gym rats, to think that an additional 2-3 weeks of full-contact tackling instruction (or 6-8 weeks if vermeil had a say), 2-3 weeks more of beating each other up, is the difference between crisp tackling in weeks 1 & 2 vs sloppy tackling in weeks 1 & 2, strikes me as quite a reach.

back in the day a lot of these guys hung up the cleats, sweats, barbells and everything else football related when the season was over, and thoroughly enjoyed the offseason, only to return to camp in woeful shape, there are some very colorful stories about it out there, it was a different era, different players, that required different prep for the regular season.

 by Elvis
3 months ago
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United States of America   Los Angeles
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Dick84 wrote:It's funny... I read/hear complaints about how the teams don't practice enough and don't hit enough.... yet, McVay makes it a habit of giving the last day of mini camp off if there's great participation in the OTAs.
Know who else is cutting back on Mini camp?
Patriots.


Exactly.

Patriots had 8 practices this off season...

 by ramsrams
3 months ago
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Canada   Mississauga, ON
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aeneas1 wrote::thumbsup:

hey, speaking of "missed tackles" stats, they correlate very poorly to offensive points allowed, true story!


Thanks a1.

And that’s a good example of what I was talking about. Let’s say a DL misses tackling the RB in the backfield, but a LB is right there to clean it up. That’s one missed tackle.

Now let’s suppose a safety, for purposes of this exercise, let’s name him Lamarcus Joyner, whiffs and as the last guy back, the RB scores. That’s one missed tackle.

Statistically equivalent. The outcome isn’t. Hence the correlation may be off.

Compare him to other safety’s then, is the arguement. One must consider the angular momentum and the relative skill of the RB involved before making finite determinations on plays such as these, if used for comparison purposes. Is the sample size large enough?

Ah hell, I could go on forever on this shit, but I’m boring even me! :D

 by ramsrams
3 months ago
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Canada   Mississauga, ON
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I should like where someone could name even one human activity that could not be bettered with more practice, save getting proper rest prior to that activity.

Jeez, I agreed with the health aspect in my first post in this topic. You guys do realize some of that is dumb luck, right? I recall Jeremetrius Butler tearing his Achilles just stepping onto the field on the first day of training camp.

Does it not also stand to reason that teams that have been together a little longer might not feel the need to hold these kinds of practices as much as those with coaching and player turnover, because walk throughs, practices against air, and glorified touch football only get you so far? Do they not still give new coaches more OTA sessions for precisely that reason?

Talk to me when they start hittin’.

 by PARAM
3 months ago
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Barbados   Just far enough North of Philadelphia
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Circling back to Goff and the command he’s showing, it makes the idea of the Rams walking away from him at the end of his rookie contract seem all the more ludicrous. It makes no sense, after investing the resources it took to acquire Goff, then developing and grooming him, to simply part ways just as he’s hitting his prime years, in order to start over with a younger, cheaper replacement.


This viewpoint makes the Florio slant all the more ridiculous. The Rams had been searching for a franchise QB for a long time, finally get one and are going to part ways because he may cost them too much? Its laughable how anybody could swallow that crap.

 by dieterbrock
3 months ago
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United States of America   New Jersey
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Clearly the Rams are going to wait and sign Kirk Cousins after Goff contract expires.
McVay is no dummy, why rely on a QB who merely led the team to a SB appearance when he can destroy the cap and get the guy who hasn’t won a playoff game? It all makes perfect sense

 by rams74
3 months ago
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Italy   Glendale, Arizona
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dieterbrock wrote:Clearly the Rams are going to wait and sign Kirk Cousins after Goff contract expires.
McVay is no dummy, why rely on a QB who merely led the team to a SB appearance when he can destroy the cap and get the guy who hasn’t won a playoff game? It all makes perfect sense


I think to the crowd who subscribe to the theory that McVay could score 30 points a game with a robot tackling dummy at QB, it probably does make perfect sense. Fortunately, Sean McVay is not a subscriber.

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