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 by Elvis
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NFL's top 10 offenses: Saints, Colts, Eagles best of bunch

By Chris Wesseling
Around the NFL Writer
Published: May 7, 2019 at 02:32 p.m. Updated: May 7, 2019 at 05:47 p.m.

Advanced metrics, traditional statistics and game-film observations agree: the Chiefs, Rams, Saints, Patriots and Steelers boasted the NFL's highest-flying offenses in 2018, with the Colts, Chargers and Falcons floating in and out of the picture throughout the season.

Should we expect that pecking order to remain in place in 2019, considering many of the same teams dotted this list last offseason? Not so fast.

New England waved goodbye to playoff hero and future Hall of Famer Rob Gronkowski, Pittsburgh was forced to trade the uncoverable Antonio Brown and superstar playmaker Tyreek Hill may have played his last down in Kansas City. The Rams' Super Bowl LIII hangover includes questions about quarterback Jared Goff's postseason woes and Todd Gurley's troublesome knee, as well as turnover on the offensive line. Although the Saints top the list below, they aren't immune to doubts after watching their 40-year-old quarterback's arm strength dwindle in the season's most important clashes.

Among the top 15 offenses in Football Outsiders' DVOA, in fact, it can be argued that only the Colts and Falcons should be expected to feature a better collection of talent in 2019.

The Chargers gain tight end Hunter Henry (healthy after missing the 2018 regular season with a torn ACL) but lose deep threat Tyrell Williams (now a Raider). The Seahawks are bracing for the abrupt retirement of No. 1 receiver Doug Baldwin. The Panthers have a quarterback recovering from yet another shoulder surgery. The Packers are counting on a coaching change rather than an infusion of offensive talent. Whatever boost the Bucs receive from quarterback whisperer Bruce Arians may be offset by the departures of speed demon DeSean Jackson and underrated slot receiver Adam Humphries.

This is the year the Browns crash the party, adding uber-talented game-breaker Odell Beckham to an offense that finished eighth in weighted DVOA (a metric which reflects how the team was playing later in the season) and ninth in Pro Football Focus' offensive rating. They are joined in the new top 10 by the Super Bowl LII champion Eagles, an outfit that added multiple impact players at running back and receiver while bolstering the offensive-line depth.

Now that free agency and the draft are giving way to OTAs and minicamps, let's examine the hierarchy of NFL offenses.

THE TOP FIVE

1) New Orleans Saints

Quarterback: B+ | Drew Brees, Teddy Bridgewater, Taysom Hill

Neck-and-neck with Kansas City's sophomore sensation Patrick Mahomes in the MVP race through Thanksgiving, Brees suffered through one of the bleakest slumps of his Saints career in December and January. The 40-year-old was particularly ineffective on intermediate and deep throws, leaving onlookers to wonder if he was suffering through a nagging injury or -- worse -- losing what was left of his fastball. If his arm strength does return to 2017 form, he might take home his first career MVP award after all. In the meantime, Swiss Army knife Taysom Hill looms as an intriguing change-up to keep opposing defensive coordinators on their toes.

Backfield: A- | Alvin Kamara, Latavius Murray, Devine Ozigbo, Zach Line

Former Vikings power back Latavius Murray represents a downgrade from the well-rounded Mark Ingram (who signed with Baltimore in free agency), but it's hard to quibble with any backfield led by Kamara. Arguably the most complete back in the game, Kamara combines obvious mismatch potential in the passing game with surprising power as a runner. With 2017 Offensive Player of the Year Todd Gurley facing questions about a lingering knee injury, Kamara has emerged as the gold standard at the position.

Receiving corps: B+ | Michael Thomas, Jared Cook (TE), Ted Ginn, Tre'Quan Smith, Keith Kirkwood, Cameron Meredith, Austin Carr

Speaking of gold standard, Thomas is vying with Houston's DeAndre Hopkins as the league's preeminent strong-handed possession receiver. He's complemented by Cook, who played at a Pro Bowl level as Derek Carr's most reliable target with the Raiders last season. Depth is a question mark, with Ginn, Smith, Meredith and Kirkwood failing to emerge as consistent threats behind Thomas.

Offensive line: B+ | Terron Armstead, Ryan Ramczyk, Andrus Peat, Larry Warford, Erik McCoy, Nick Easton, Michael Ola

Much like Brees, New Orleans' offensive line was cruising through the season as a top-notch unit for three months, only to contribute to the late-season malaise amid a string of injuries. Veteran center Max Unger retired this offseason, leaving McCoy, a second-round pick, to do battle with former Vikings lineman Nick Easton for the starting job. The rest of the line returns healthier and happier.

2) Indianapolis Colts

Quarterback: A | Andrew Luck, Jacoby Brissett

Perhaps the league's biggest mystery entering the season, Luck shrugged off early questions about his arm strength, finishing second only to Mahomes with 39 touchdowns while collecting Comeback Player of the Year honors. Just four months from his 30th birthday, the former No. 1 overall draft pick is a different quarterback under play-caller supreme Frank Reich, showing a quicker release time, superior ball placement and a command of the pocket.

Backfield: B | Marlon Mack, Nyheim Hines, Jordan Wilkins, Spencer Ware

From Week 7 through Indianapolis' victory over the Texans in the Wild Card Round, Marlon Mack led all running backs in rushing first downs (51) and ranked second in carries (197), rushing yards (933) and rushing touchdowns (10). Can he stay healthy, run between the tackles and match that level of production across 16 games and a postseason run? Receiving specialist Nyheim Hines caught 63 passes as a rookie, showcasing the ability to beat linebackers and safeties on third downs. Versatile former Chiefs back Spencer Ware was recently signed for insurance.

Receiving corps: B+ | T.Y. Hilton, Devin Funchess, Eric Ebron (TE), Jack Doyle (TE), Parris Campbell, Chester Rogers, Zach Pascal, Deon Cain

Luck is going to love throwing to big-bodied former Panthers wideout Devin Funchess and rookie playmaker Parris Campbell after leaning heavily on undrafted projects (Rogers, Pascal, Alie-Cox, Erik Swoope) and journeymen free agents (Ryan Grant, Dontrelle Inman) for significant portions of the 2018 season. Throw in a healthy version of Doyle, and this figures to be one of the most improved position groups in the division.

Offensive line: A- | Anthony Castonzo, Braden Smith, Quenton Nelson, Mark Glowinski, Ryan Kelly, Joe Haeg, Evan Boehm

Prior to Reich's arrival, the Colts couldn't run the ball or protect Luck. With rookie All-Pro Quenton Nelson setting a bone-jarring tone, both of those problems vanished by midseason. The offensive line went from long-running punchline to head of the class, paving the way for nine 100-yard rushing performances (including the postseason) while leading the NFL in stingiest sack rate (2.8%). The starting line returns intact for 2019.

3) Philadelphia Eagles

Quarterback: B+ | Carson Wentz, Nate Sudfeld, Clayton Thorson

Backup QB extraordinaire Nick Foles may have thrown a better deep ball and shown a proclivity for hitting the open receiver in his progressions, but Wentz's raw talent is undeniable. If he returns to the form that placed him in the driver's seat for MVP honors in 2017, the Eagles might just boast the most improved offense in the league. Considering he's still working his way through the back injury that ended his 2018 season prematurely, that's far from a given.

Backfield: B | Miles Sanders, Jordan Howard, Wendell Smallwood, Corey Clement, Josh Adams

Sanders was rated by some evaluators as the best back in the 2019 draft class. Saquon Barkley's understudy at Penn State, the second-round rookie is a more versatile playmaker compared to bull-dozing power back Jordan Howard, who came over from Chicago in a pre-draft trade. A position that loomed as a liability throughout the 2017 season is suddenly flush with depth -- even if free agent Darren Sproles opts against returning for another year.

Receiving corps: A- | Zach Ertz (TE), Alshon Jeffery, DeSean Jackson, Nelson Agholor, J.J. Arcega-Whiteside, Dallas Goedert (TE), Charles Johnson

The most sure-handed tight end in football, Ertz hauled in 66 first downs as Philly's primary chain-mover last season. He's joined by an upgraded rotation that now includes premier deep threat DeSean Jackson, jumpball specialist J.J. Arcega-Whiteside, resurrected AAF star Charles Johnson and second-year tight end Dallas Goedert. Much like the backfield, the Eagles' receiving corps has graduated from question mark to exclamation point.

Offensive line: B+ | Jason Peters, Lane Johnson, Brandon Brooks, Isaac Seumalo, Jason Kelce, Andre Dillard, Halapoulivaati Vaitai, Matt Pryor

Vaitai held his own at times but was too often exploited as the stand-in for a declining Peters or absent Johnson over the past two years. Trading up for Dillard should ensure not only a smooth transition at left tackle in the future, but will also provide premium depth until Peters retires to begin his five-year wait for Canton.

4) Atlanta Falcons

Quarterback: A- | Matt Ryan, Matt Schaub

Ryan was let down by his coaching and surrounding talent last season. Even with the backfield in tatters and the offensive line too often losing the battle up front, the Falcons finished as a top-six offense in yards per drive, points per drive and drive success rate. With Steve Sarkisian taking the fall for bouts of inconsistency, Ryan is reunited with former Buccaneers head coach Dirk Koetter, who called the plays in Atlanta from 2012 to 2014.

Backfield: B- | Devonta Freeman, Ito Smith, Qadree Ollison, Brian Hill, Kenjon Barner

Briefly the NFL's highest-paid running back two years ago, Freeman has a lot to prove this year after groin and foot injuries limited him to 91 total yards in two games in 2018. Smith showed flashes of potential as a rookie but managed just 3.5 yards per carry behind a porous offensive line.

Receiving corps: A | Julio Jones, Calvin Ridley, Mohamed Sanu, Austin Hooper (TE), Justin Hardy, Marcus Green, Luke Stocker (TE)

Ridley was an instant-impact player, recording 821 yards and 10 touchdowns on 64 receptions as a rookie. If he takes another leap in his second season, Ryan might have the luxury of throwing to the NFC's most unstoppable receiving corps. Sanu has been a model of reliability since leaving Cincinnati, while Hooper emerged as a dangerous outlet receiver in his third season.

Offensive line: B- | Jake Matthews, Kaleb McGary, Chris Lindstrom, James Carpenter, Alex Mack, Jamon Brown, Ty Sambrailo

The Falcons thought they had their blocking woes solved with Ryan Schraeder entrenched at right tackle, Brandon Fusco signed away from San Francisco and Andy Levitre holding down the other guard spot. All three are gone, replaced by rookies Chris Lindstrom and Kaleb McGary as well as free-agent acquisitions James Carpenter and Jamon Brown. Buoyed by the investment of a pair of first-round picks, this unit should stand a much better chance of keeping Ryan upright in 2019.

5) Los Angeles Rams

Quarterback: B | Jared Goff, Blake Bortles

Goff unfurled some of the league's most beautiful passes in the season's first three months, only to backslide following Cooper Kupp's season-ending injury and Los Angeles' thrilling 54-51 victory over Kansas City in mid-November. If his disturbing Super Bowl LIII performance raises doubts about the upcoming season, the presence of play-calling savant Sean McVay should allay the darkest fears of Rams fans.

Backfield: B+ | Todd Gurley, Malcolm Brown, Darrell Henderson, John Kelly

The 2017 Offensive Player of the Year found himself back in the MVP discussion early last season, operating as the game-breaking focal point for McVay's attack. Neither Gurley nor the Rams' offense was ever the same, however, after a knee injury he suffered in Week 1 flared up in the final month of the season. Now he's facing whispers about a potential arthritic condition, a decreased workload and more two-back formations going forward. Even with third-round draft pick Darrell Henderson around for insurance, Gurley's durability and explosiveness are two of the biggest question marks in the Rams' quest for another NFC title.

Receiving corps: B+ | Robert Woods, Brandin Cooks, Cooper Kupp, Gerald Everett (TE), Tyler Higbee (TE), Josh Reynolds

While Cooks is a dangerous deep threat, Woods has developed into one of the finest all-around receivers in football. As productive as that tandem was in 2018, Kupp's November ACL injury left Goff without a safety blanket in key situations. McVay's quarterback averaged roughly 330 yards with Kupp in the lineup, compared to 256 yards without benefit of the chain-moving slot receiver.

Offensive line: B+ | Andrew Whitworth, Rob Havenstein, Austin Blythe, Joseph Noteboom, Brian Allen, Bobby Evans, David Edwards

Similar to New Orleans, the Rams' offensive line was dominant for three months before springing leaks once the weather took a turn for the worse. Veteran guard Rodger Saffold priced himself out of Los Angeles, while 33-year-old center John Sullivan was put out to pasture. That savvy duo is expected to be replaced by 2018 draft picks Joseph Noteboom and Brian Allen, offering younger legs but little NFL experience. This unit could go either way in 2019.

THE NEXT FIVE

6) Kansas City Chiefs

Quarterback: A+ | Patrick Mahomes, Chad Henne, EJ Manuel

Backfield: C+ | Damien Williams, Carlos Hyde, Darwin Thompson, James Williams

Receiving corps: B | Travis Kelce (TE), Sammy Watkins, Mecole Hardman, Demarcus Robinson, Sammie Coates, Cody Thompson, Tyreek Hill*

NOTE: There's uncertainty about Hill's future in the NFL as prosecutors continue their reopened child abuse probe involving the Chiefs' wideout.

Offensive line: B | Eric Fisher, Mitchell Schwartz, Laurent Duvernay-Tardif, Cameron Erving, Austin Reiter, Andrew Wylie, Nick Allegretti

7) Cleveland Browns

Quarterback: B+ | Baker Mayfield, Drew Stanton

Backfield: A- | Nick Chubb, Duke Johnson, Kareem Hunt, Darrin Hall

Receiving corps: A- | Odell Beckham, Jarvis Landry, Antonio Callaway, David Njoku (TE), Rashard Higgins, Demetrius Harris (TE)

Offensive line: B- | Greg Robinson, Chris Hubbard, Joel Bitonio, Austin Corbett, JC Tretter, Kendall Lamm, Eric Kush, Bryan Witzmann

8) Los Angeles Chargers

Quarterback: B+ | Philip Rivers, Tyrod Taylor, Easton Stick

Backfield: A- | Melvin Gordon, Austin Ekeler, Justin Jackson, Detrez Newsome

Receiving corps: B+ | Keenan Allen, Mike Williams, Hunter Henry (TE), Travis Benjamin, Dylan Cantrell, Artavis Scott, Virgil Green (TE)

Offensive line: C | Russell Okung, Sam Tevi, Dan Feeney, Michael Schofield, Mike Pouncey, Cole Toner, Forrest Lamp, Trent Scott, Trey Pipkins

9) Pittsburgh Steelers

Quarterback: B+ | Ben Roethlisberger, Joshua Dobbs, Mason Rudolph

Backfield: B | James Conner, Jaylen Samuels, Benny Snell

Receiving corps: B | JuJu Smith-Schuster, Donte Moncrief, Diontae Johnson, Vance McDonald (TE), James Washington, Ryan Switzer, Eli Rogers, Zach Gentry (TE)

Offensive line: B+ | Alejandro Villanueva, Matt Feiler, David DeCastro, Ramon Foster, Maurkice Pouncey, B.J. Finney, Chuks Okorafor, Zach Banner, Derwin Gray

10) Green Bay Packers

Quarterback: A | Aaron Rodgers, DeShone Kizer

Backfield: B- | Aaron Jones, Jamaal Williams, Dexter Williams, Kapri Bibbs

Receiving corps: B | Davante Adams, Geronimo Allison, Marquez Valdes-Scantling, Jimmy Graham (TE), Equanimeous St. Brown, J'Mon Moore, Trevor Davis, Jace Sternberger (TE)

Offensive line: B+ | David Bakhtiari, Bryan Bulaga, Lane Taylor, Billy Turner, Corey Linsley, Justin McCray, Jason Spriggs, Elgton Jenkins

OFFENSES KNOCKING ON THE DOOR: New England Patriots, Tennessee Titans, Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Cincinnati Bengals, Dallas Cowboys, Seattle Seahawks, Carolina Panthers, Houston Texans, Chicago Bears.

Follow Chris Wesseling on Twitter @ChrisWesseling.

 by Elvis
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I know they're trying to look forward but Rams 5 and Chiefs 6?

Don't think i'm buying it...

 by moklerman
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Elvis wrote:I know they're trying to look forward but Rams 5 and Chiefs 6?

Don't think i'm buying it...
It's understandable. Take Hill away from the Chiefs or Gurley away from the Rams and they aren't going to be the same. With question marks looming, can't assume they'll be as productive as before.

 by SWAdude
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moklerman wrote:It's understandable. Take Hill away from the Chiefs or Gurley away from the Rams and they aren't going to be the same. With question marks looming, can't assume they'll be as productive as before.


Can't disagree with this.

NONE of us want to believe this, but Gurley's health is in question. It comes with his condition. It is just a fact. Hopefully not him.

And we really ramped up on defense in this draft.

Thats good.

And we are good.

GO RAMS!!!

 by aeneas1
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so out of the top 10 offenses, the rams have the lowest graded qb, ha ha... i guess two consecutive pro bowls, leading your team to the second most offensive points over the last two seasons, and to the super bowl last season, is 10th worthy :D

here's their breakdown, in an easier to read format, i.e. their top 10 teams, their "knocking at the door" teams, and the forgotten... i've added the gpa equivalents (which they apparently ignored), and each team's 2018 ranking in offensive points scored.

in other news, the cleveland love continues in full swing... oddly tho, one thing i haven't heard mentioned about the browns is that they were 1-6-1 against teams with a winning record last year, and averaged a meager 18.6 offensive points per game in those outings - go brownies!.

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 by moklerman
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aeneas1 wrote:so out of the top 10 offenses, the rams have the lowest graded qb, ha ha... i guess two consecutive pro bowls, leading your team to the second most offensive points over the last two seasons, and to the super bowl last season, is 10th worthy :D

here's their breakdown, in an easier to read format, i.e. their top 10 teams, their "knocking at the door" teams, and the forgotten... i've added the gpa equivalents (which they apparently ignored), and each team's 2018 ranking in offensive points scored.

in other news, the cleveland love continues in full swing... oddly tho, one thing i haven't heard mentioned about the browns is that they were 1-6-1 against teams with a winning record last year, and averaged a meager 18.6 offensive points per game in those outings - go brownies!.
Whether it's the Rams or the Browns in this discussion it's about predictions. What happened last year isn't necessarily a predictor of what's going to happen so the writer deserves some credit for looking beyond previous year's stats.

The Rams offense hasn't looked like it's old self anyway so what they used to do seems, at least, in question. Can't just assign an A+ because of what they used to do.

With Cleveland, there are a lot of new pieces in place and a QB who seems like the real deal. Whether or not that pans out is what we all have to wait and see. So, while they may not have had a great record against winning teams last year, they also fired their inept coach mid season and went 4-2 after their bye.

Adding Kareem Hunt and OBJ to Nick Chubb and Jarvis Landry would seem to improve their potential on offense.

 by aeneas1
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moklerman wrote:Whether it's the Rams or the Browns in this discussion it's about predictions. What happened last year isn't necessarily a predictor of what's going to happen so the writer deserves some credit for looking beyond previous year's stats.

The Rams offense hasn't looked like it's old self anyway so what they used to do seems, at least, in question. Can't just assign an A+ because of what they used to do.

With Cleveland, there are a lot of new pieces in place and a QB who seems like the real deal. Whether or not that pans out is what we all have to wait and see. So, while they may not have had a great record against winning teams last year, they also fired their inept coach mid season and went 4-2 after their bye.

Adding Kareem Hunt and OBJ to Nick Chubb and Jarvis Landry would seem to improve their potential on offense.

:shock2:

first you write:

"What happened last year isn't necessarily a predictor of what's going to happen so the writer deserves some credit for looking beyond previous year's stats."

and immediately follow with:

"The Rams offense hasn't looked like it's old self anyway so what they used to do seems, at least, in question."

anyway, wesseling is doing what every other space filler does this time of year, he's throwing darts, and he's basing his fluff on what he saw last year, or do you believe that he thought the browns were a top 10 offense heading into 2018?

 by moklerman
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aeneas1 wrote::shock2:

first you write:

"What happened last year isn't necessarily a predictor of what's going to happen so the writer deserves some credit for looking beyond previous year's stats."

and immediately follow with:

"The Rams offense hasn't looked like it's old self anyway so what they used to do seems, at least, in question."

anyway, wesseling is doing what every other space filler does this time of year, he's throwing darts, and he's basing his fluff on what he saw last year, or do you believe that he thought the browns were a top 10 offense heading into 2018?
I don't know what you think is contradictory? The Rams offense has been shaky and on a downward trend in addition to the VERY important cog Gurley's mysterious lack of use. They have not been the team that they were when McVay first arrived. It can't just be assumed they will return to that form. Not with so many new pieces on the line and if Gurley isn't 100%.

So, you scoffing at a 5th place ranking because of what they did cumulatively last year seems unfounded. Last year was a tale of two different offenses by the Rams and they are on a downward trend with question marks. Maybe they pull out of it and return to form but top 5 is hardly a sleight considering how they looked to finish last year.

Same thing with the Chiefs. One can't just assume they will be the same without Hill. You can't really look at what they did last year because it wouldn't be the same team.

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moklerman wrote:So, you scoffing at.....

i'm scoffing at:

1. the notion that "the writer deserves some credit for looking beyond previous year's stats" - he's doing what every space filler does this time of the year, throwing darts, while (like everyone else) basing his fluff on last season.

2. and the silliness of grading goff lower than mayfield, wentz and, in fact, roethlisberger and rivers.

but you didn't answer my question - do you think wesseling, the out of the box thinker that he is, picked the browns to have a top 10 offense in 2018?

 by moklerman
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aeneas1 wrote:i'm scoffing at:

1. the notion that "the writer deserves some credit for looking beyond previous year's stats" - he's doing what every space filler does this time of the year, throwing darts, while (like everyone else) basing his fluff on last season.

2. and the silliness of grading goff lower than mayfield, wentz and, in fact, roethlisberger and rivers.

but you didn't answer my question - do you think wesseling, the out of the box thinker that he is, picked the browns to have a top 10 offense in 2018?
What's with the animosity? No one can accurately predict what will happen next year so I'm not sure why you're dismissing his opinions. He isn't just pulling things out of the ether and seems to at least consider some variables.

As far as Goff being graded lower than the others, Ben and Rivers have earned it and Mayfield and Wentz are at least arguable. Nothing silly about it. Goff is often viewed as a system QB while the others don't have that same reputation. I can easily see how someone who isn't a Rams fan would consider them as slightly better than Goff.

As for your question, I don't understand. The Browns weren't top 10 in offense in 2018. Or do you mean that he actually did predict they would be top 10 and they weren't? It doesn't really matter because I'm not claiming that he's definitely going to be right about his predictions, just that he seems to be putting thought into what he's saying.

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