by AvengerRam 5 years 1 month ago Total posts: 8686 Joined: Oct 03 2017 Lake Mary, Florida Hall of Fame With Fowler and Weddle now signed--we gotta go D/T or D/E in round one, right? POST #31 /zn/ wrote:I don't think "BPA" (best player regardless of need) was EVER a model any NFL team used.You have a rare talent for refuting arguments that nobody here is making. by /zn/ 5 years 1 month ago Total posts: 6763 Joined: Jun 28 2015 Maine Hall of Fame With Fowler and Weddle now signed--we gotta go D/T or D/E in round one, right? POST #32 AvengerRam wrote:You have a rare talent for refuting arguments that nobody here is making.Well at least I follow arguments.I never said anyone here did that. That was never the point. It's simple--BPA as "best player regardless of position" was a stance only fans had, I don't think any team ever approached things that way. Saying that should not be controversial. by AvengerRam 5 years 1 month ago Total posts: 8686 Joined: Oct 03 2017 Lake Mary, Florida Hall of Fame With Fowler and Weddle now signed--we gotta go D/T or D/E in round one, right? POST #33 /zn/ wrote:Well at least I follow arguments.I never said anyone here did that. That was never the point. It's simple--BPA as "best player regardless of position" was a stance only fans had, I don't think any team ever approached things that way. Saying that should not be controversial. No, you don’t follow arguments. If you did, you wouldn’t keep assigning a narrow definition to the term BPA which is entirely irrelevant to the arguments being made here.Snead said, in essence, that he narrows the search to several (not one) key needs (which are not all equal) then try’s to identify the BEST PLAYER AVAILABLE within the various need positions. That’s how I’m using the term too. The goal is to get an A player at the No. 1 need. Sometimes, though, it comes down to a choice between (for example) an A player at the No. 3 need or a B player at the No. 1 need. When that happens, you have to choose...prioritize filling the need, or fill a lesser need with the BPA.If you disagree with that, say so. Don’t redefine BPA and tell us that you disagree with your own straw man. by Hacksaw 5 years 1 month ago Total posts: 24523 Joined: Apr 15 2015 AT THE BEACH Moderator Re: With Fowler and Weddle now signed--we gotta go D/T or D/E in round one, right? POST #34 Why does this seem so ridiculously unimportant ? GO RAMS !!! GO DODGERS !!! GO LAKERS !!!THE GREATEST SHOW ON TURF,, WAS by PARAM 5 years 1 month ago Total posts: 12240 Joined: Jul 15 2015 Just far enough North of Philadelphia Hall of Fame With Fowler and Weddle now signed--we gotta go D/T or D/E in round one, right? POST #35 Elvis liked this post AvengerRam wrote:Snead said, in essence, that he narrows the search to several (not one) key needs (which are not all equal) then try’s to identify the BEST PLAYER AVAILABLE within the various need positions. That’s how I’m using the term too. The goal is to get an A player at the No. 1 need. Sometimes, though, it comes down to a choice between (for example) an A player at the No. 3 need or a B player at the No. 1 need. When that happens, you have to choose...prioritize filling the need, or fill a lesser need with the BPA.If you disagree with that, say so. Don’t redefine BPA and tell us that you disagree with your own straw man.That is taking need into serious consideration on every level. Of course when you're making a pick to fill a need, you want the best player possible for the need, who's still available. In my experience discussing BPA, it was accepted to mean just that. "Best Player Available regardless of position". But that's a term used, if not invented by draftniks like Mel Kiper. It doesn't mean that is how NFL teams played it. "You build a draft board, ranking players from top to bottom, regardless of position and follow it taking the best player available when you pick." Again where is the proof? Meaning an NFL decision maker saying "we needed a wide receiver but that safety was head and shoulders above everybody left on our board so we took him even though we have two pro bowl players and another youngster we took in the 2nd round last year at the position". The proof is not us as fans, saying 'well see there; they took Aaron Donald even though they needed wide receiver help. Hell Brandin Cooks, Kelvin Benjamin, Marquise Lee and Jordan Matthews were all available.' We don't know where those 4 wide receivers were ranked on their board and we don't know what they thought of Kendall Langford at DT. Perhaps they thought, after signing Langford to a 4 year 24 mil contract in 2012 to bolster the run defense, they weren't getting good value on their dollar. #15 in 2012 vs the run, #9 in 2013 and #14 in 2014 as well as #15 vs the pass in 2012, #19 in 2013 and #19 in 2014. It doesn't look much like good value in either category. So perhaps with Jeffrey Fisher in charge, DT was a huge need (in his mind)? We just don't know. We can say, "they were happy with Langford and DT was not as big of a need as WR" but is that what they thought? Their receiving corp consisted of Austin (1st round 2013), Pettis (3rd Rd 2011), Givens (4th round 2012), Quick (2nd round 2012) as well as tight ends Jared Cook (51-671 5 TDs in 2013) and Kendricks (2nd round 2011). Maybe they thought they expended enough picks (5) on receivers the previous 3 drafts? NOTE: I for one am glad they went with AD. Another receiver wouldn't have made Austin Davins or Shaun Hill that much better in 2014!!! Been following the horns since the Coliseum had a Roman playing there. McVay: 77-49, 2 Superbowls, 1 Lombardi............Doubt at your own peril 1 by Flash 5 years 1 month ago Total posts: 1205 Joined: Jan 13 2016 Houston Pro Bowl With Fowler and Weddle now signed--we gotta go D/T or D/E in round one, right? POST #36 Hacksaw wrote:Why does this seem so ridiculously unimportant ?Couldn't agree more. Sometimes people like to hear their-selves disagree. Not everything has to be a big to-do! Get off the high horses. RFU Season Ticket Holder by AvengerRam 5 years 1 month ago Total posts: 8686 Joined: Oct 03 2017 Lake Mary, Florida Hall of Fame With Fowler and Weddle now signed--we gotta go D/T or D/E in round one, right? POST #37 PARAM wrote:That is taking need into serious consideration on every level.No, its taking BOTH into serious consideration on every level. Just as nobody drafts in a need-blind manner, nobody drafts in a BPA-blind manner. If they did, then (using the 2019 Rams as an example), our draft board would be a list of 31 prospects at one position (the "top need" spot).In my experience discussing BPA, it was accepted to mean just that. "Best Player Available regardless of position".So what? We're not talking about your "experience." I've repeatedly stated that I'm not using the term that way (and Snead has used the term the same way I am) but you guys just keep running back to your straw man.In deference to those who are rightly tired of this debate, I'm going to leave it at that. Feel free to take the last word if that's what is motivating you (I'll be happy to receive another $1.79 stipend from the site when zn responds ) by safer 5 years 3 days ago Total posts: 1275 Joined: Feb 03 2016 LA Coliseum Pro Bowl With Fowler and Weddle now signed--we gotta go D/T or D/E in round one, right? POST #38 TOPIC AUTHOR GUYS, PULEEEEESE, Give up this nitpicking, anal argument and let's get back to having fun. It's certainly not fun to read. (ahem!--and now back to the fun part)NT Dexter Lawrence is THE guy who IMHO fits both a critical need (assuming that we won't be able to re-sign Brokers next year when Goff AND Fowler Jr. come up for big $$). Dexter very well could fall into the lower twenties. Our 1st, lower 3rd this year and a mid rounder next year would get us the #1 ranked player at a need position. IF we go to camp and our younger Dline guys show up, we could even trade Brockers. Next year we'd have AD (locked up already), Dexter and Franklin Myers starting for us with great depth up front, and no more money needed for a few years at Dline. by Hacksaw 5 years 3 days ago Total posts: 24523 Joined: Apr 15 2015 AT THE BEACH Moderator Re: With Fowler and Weddle now signed--we gotta go D/T or D/E in round one, right? POST #39 Yeah, folks need to step back from the ledge. GO RAMS !!! GO DODGERS !!! GO LAKERS !!!THE GREATEST SHOW ON TURF,, WAS by /zn/ 5 years 2 days ago Total posts: 6763 Joined: Jun 28 2015 Maine Hall of Fame With Fowler and Weddle now signed--we gotta go D/T or D/E in round one, right? POST #40 actionjack wrote:BPA of DE/DL/ OLB or CB or trade down if talent isnt much different into second round.That sounds pretty likely. Maybe there's an OL at 31 they like. Evan Silva@evansilvathinking this is a great draft class. Mediocre QBs & terrible RBs but really strong WR/TE/OL/DL/DBs. Reply 4 / 4 1 4 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 40 posts Apr 17 2024 FOLLOW US @RAMSFANSUNITED Who liked this post
by /zn/ 5 years 1 month ago Total posts: 6763 Joined: Jun 28 2015 Maine Hall of Fame With Fowler and Weddle now signed--we gotta go D/T or D/E in round one, right? POST #32 AvengerRam wrote:You have a rare talent for refuting arguments that nobody here is making.Well at least I follow arguments.I never said anyone here did that. That was never the point. It's simple--BPA as "best player regardless of position" was a stance only fans had, I don't think any team ever approached things that way. Saying that should not be controversial. by AvengerRam 5 years 1 month ago Total posts: 8686 Joined: Oct 03 2017 Lake Mary, Florida Hall of Fame With Fowler and Weddle now signed--we gotta go D/T or D/E in round one, right? POST #33 /zn/ wrote:Well at least I follow arguments.I never said anyone here did that. That was never the point. It's simple--BPA as "best player regardless of position" was a stance only fans had, I don't think any team ever approached things that way. Saying that should not be controversial. No, you don’t follow arguments. If you did, you wouldn’t keep assigning a narrow definition to the term BPA which is entirely irrelevant to the arguments being made here.Snead said, in essence, that he narrows the search to several (not one) key needs (which are not all equal) then try’s to identify the BEST PLAYER AVAILABLE within the various need positions. That’s how I’m using the term too. The goal is to get an A player at the No. 1 need. Sometimes, though, it comes down to a choice between (for example) an A player at the No. 3 need or a B player at the No. 1 need. When that happens, you have to choose...prioritize filling the need, or fill a lesser need with the BPA.If you disagree with that, say so. Don’t redefine BPA and tell us that you disagree with your own straw man. by Hacksaw 5 years 1 month ago Total posts: 24523 Joined: Apr 15 2015 AT THE BEACH Moderator Re: With Fowler and Weddle now signed--we gotta go D/T or D/E in round one, right? POST #34 Why does this seem so ridiculously unimportant ? GO RAMS !!! GO DODGERS !!! GO LAKERS !!!THE GREATEST SHOW ON TURF,, WAS by PARAM 5 years 1 month ago Total posts: 12240 Joined: Jul 15 2015 Just far enough North of Philadelphia Hall of Fame With Fowler and Weddle now signed--we gotta go D/T or D/E in round one, right? POST #35 Elvis liked this post AvengerRam wrote:Snead said, in essence, that he narrows the search to several (not one) key needs (which are not all equal) then try’s to identify the BEST PLAYER AVAILABLE within the various need positions. That’s how I’m using the term too. The goal is to get an A player at the No. 1 need. Sometimes, though, it comes down to a choice between (for example) an A player at the No. 3 need or a B player at the No. 1 need. When that happens, you have to choose...prioritize filling the need, or fill a lesser need with the BPA.If you disagree with that, say so. Don’t redefine BPA and tell us that you disagree with your own straw man.That is taking need into serious consideration on every level. Of course when you're making a pick to fill a need, you want the best player possible for the need, who's still available. In my experience discussing BPA, it was accepted to mean just that. "Best Player Available regardless of position". But that's a term used, if not invented by draftniks like Mel Kiper. It doesn't mean that is how NFL teams played it. "You build a draft board, ranking players from top to bottom, regardless of position and follow it taking the best player available when you pick." Again where is the proof? Meaning an NFL decision maker saying "we needed a wide receiver but that safety was head and shoulders above everybody left on our board so we took him even though we have two pro bowl players and another youngster we took in the 2nd round last year at the position". The proof is not us as fans, saying 'well see there; they took Aaron Donald even though they needed wide receiver help. Hell Brandin Cooks, Kelvin Benjamin, Marquise Lee and Jordan Matthews were all available.' We don't know where those 4 wide receivers were ranked on their board and we don't know what they thought of Kendall Langford at DT. Perhaps they thought, after signing Langford to a 4 year 24 mil contract in 2012 to bolster the run defense, they weren't getting good value on their dollar. #15 in 2012 vs the run, #9 in 2013 and #14 in 2014 as well as #15 vs the pass in 2012, #19 in 2013 and #19 in 2014. It doesn't look much like good value in either category. So perhaps with Jeffrey Fisher in charge, DT was a huge need (in his mind)? We just don't know. We can say, "they were happy with Langford and DT was not as big of a need as WR" but is that what they thought? Their receiving corp consisted of Austin (1st round 2013), Pettis (3rd Rd 2011), Givens (4th round 2012), Quick (2nd round 2012) as well as tight ends Jared Cook (51-671 5 TDs in 2013) and Kendricks (2nd round 2011). Maybe they thought they expended enough picks (5) on receivers the previous 3 drafts? NOTE: I for one am glad they went with AD. Another receiver wouldn't have made Austin Davins or Shaun Hill that much better in 2014!!! Been following the horns since the Coliseum had a Roman playing there. McVay: 77-49, 2 Superbowls, 1 Lombardi............Doubt at your own peril 1 by Flash 5 years 1 month ago Total posts: 1205 Joined: Jan 13 2016 Houston Pro Bowl With Fowler and Weddle now signed--we gotta go D/T or D/E in round one, right? POST #36 Hacksaw wrote:Why does this seem so ridiculously unimportant ?Couldn't agree more. Sometimes people like to hear their-selves disagree. Not everything has to be a big to-do! Get off the high horses. RFU Season Ticket Holder by AvengerRam 5 years 1 month ago Total posts: 8686 Joined: Oct 03 2017 Lake Mary, Florida Hall of Fame With Fowler and Weddle now signed--we gotta go D/T or D/E in round one, right? POST #37 PARAM wrote:That is taking need into serious consideration on every level.No, its taking BOTH into serious consideration on every level. Just as nobody drafts in a need-blind manner, nobody drafts in a BPA-blind manner. If they did, then (using the 2019 Rams as an example), our draft board would be a list of 31 prospects at one position (the "top need" spot).In my experience discussing BPA, it was accepted to mean just that. "Best Player Available regardless of position".So what? We're not talking about your "experience." I've repeatedly stated that I'm not using the term that way (and Snead has used the term the same way I am) but you guys just keep running back to your straw man.In deference to those who are rightly tired of this debate, I'm going to leave it at that. Feel free to take the last word if that's what is motivating you (I'll be happy to receive another $1.79 stipend from the site when zn responds ) by safer 5 years 3 days ago Total posts: 1275 Joined: Feb 03 2016 LA Coliseum Pro Bowl With Fowler and Weddle now signed--we gotta go D/T or D/E in round one, right? POST #38 TOPIC AUTHOR GUYS, PULEEEEESE, Give up this nitpicking, anal argument and let's get back to having fun. It's certainly not fun to read. (ahem!--and now back to the fun part)NT Dexter Lawrence is THE guy who IMHO fits both a critical need (assuming that we won't be able to re-sign Brokers next year when Goff AND Fowler Jr. come up for big $$). Dexter very well could fall into the lower twenties. Our 1st, lower 3rd this year and a mid rounder next year would get us the #1 ranked player at a need position. IF we go to camp and our younger Dline guys show up, we could even trade Brockers. Next year we'd have AD (locked up already), Dexter and Franklin Myers starting for us with great depth up front, and no more money needed for a few years at Dline. by Hacksaw 5 years 3 days ago Total posts: 24523 Joined: Apr 15 2015 AT THE BEACH Moderator Re: With Fowler and Weddle now signed--we gotta go D/T or D/E in round one, right? POST #39 Yeah, folks need to step back from the ledge. GO RAMS !!! GO DODGERS !!! GO LAKERS !!!THE GREATEST SHOW ON TURF,, WAS by /zn/ 5 years 2 days ago Total posts: 6763 Joined: Jun 28 2015 Maine Hall of Fame With Fowler and Weddle now signed--we gotta go D/T or D/E in round one, right? POST #40 actionjack wrote:BPA of DE/DL/ OLB or CB or trade down if talent isnt much different into second round.That sounds pretty likely. Maybe there's an OL at 31 they like. Evan Silva@evansilvathinking this is a great draft class. Mediocre QBs & terrible RBs but really strong WR/TE/OL/DL/DBs. Reply 4 / 4 1 4 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 40 posts Apr 17 2024 FOLLOW US @RAMSFANSUNITED Who liked this post
by AvengerRam 5 years 1 month ago Total posts: 8686 Joined: Oct 03 2017 Lake Mary, Florida Hall of Fame With Fowler and Weddle now signed--we gotta go D/T or D/E in round one, right? POST #33 /zn/ wrote:Well at least I follow arguments.I never said anyone here did that. That was never the point. It's simple--BPA as "best player regardless of position" was a stance only fans had, I don't think any team ever approached things that way. Saying that should not be controversial. No, you don’t follow arguments. If you did, you wouldn’t keep assigning a narrow definition to the term BPA which is entirely irrelevant to the arguments being made here.Snead said, in essence, that he narrows the search to several (not one) key needs (which are not all equal) then try’s to identify the BEST PLAYER AVAILABLE within the various need positions. That’s how I’m using the term too. The goal is to get an A player at the No. 1 need. Sometimes, though, it comes down to a choice between (for example) an A player at the No. 3 need or a B player at the No. 1 need. When that happens, you have to choose...prioritize filling the need, or fill a lesser need with the BPA.If you disagree with that, say so. Don’t redefine BPA and tell us that you disagree with your own straw man. by Hacksaw 5 years 1 month ago Total posts: 24523 Joined: Apr 15 2015 AT THE BEACH Moderator Re: With Fowler and Weddle now signed--we gotta go D/T or D/E in round one, right? POST #34 Why does this seem so ridiculously unimportant ? GO RAMS !!! GO DODGERS !!! GO LAKERS !!!THE GREATEST SHOW ON TURF,, WAS by PARAM 5 years 1 month ago Total posts: 12240 Joined: Jul 15 2015 Just far enough North of Philadelphia Hall of Fame With Fowler and Weddle now signed--we gotta go D/T or D/E in round one, right? POST #35 Elvis liked this post AvengerRam wrote:Snead said, in essence, that he narrows the search to several (not one) key needs (which are not all equal) then try’s to identify the BEST PLAYER AVAILABLE within the various need positions. That’s how I’m using the term too. The goal is to get an A player at the No. 1 need. Sometimes, though, it comes down to a choice between (for example) an A player at the No. 3 need or a B player at the No. 1 need. When that happens, you have to choose...prioritize filling the need, or fill a lesser need with the BPA.If you disagree with that, say so. Don’t redefine BPA and tell us that you disagree with your own straw man.That is taking need into serious consideration on every level. Of course when you're making a pick to fill a need, you want the best player possible for the need, who's still available. In my experience discussing BPA, it was accepted to mean just that. "Best Player Available regardless of position". But that's a term used, if not invented by draftniks like Mel Kiper. It doesn't mean that is how NFL teams played it. "You build a draft board, ranking players from top to bottom, regardless of position and follow it taking the best player available when you pick." Again where is the proof? Meaning an NFL decision maker saying "we needed a wide receiver but that safety was head and shoulders above everybody left on our board so we took him even though we have two pro bowl players and another youngster we took in the 2nd round last year at the position". The proof is not us as fans, saying 'well see there; they took Aaron Donald even though they needed wide receiver help. Hell Brandin Cooks, Kelvin Benjamin, Marquise Lee and Jordan Matthews were all available.' We don't know where those 4 wide receivers were ranked on their board and we don't know what they thought of Kendall Langford at DT. Perhaps they thought, after signing Langford to a 4 year 24 mil contract in 2012 to bolster the run defense, they weren't getting good value on their dollar. #15 in 2012 vs the run, #9 in 2013 and #14 in 2014 as well as #15 vs the pass in 2012, #19 in 2013 and #19 in 2014. It doesn't look much like good value in either category. So perhaps with Jeffrey Fisher in charge, DT was a huge need (in his mind)? We just don't know. We can say, "they were happy with Langford and DT was not as big of a need as WR" but is that what they thought? Their receiving corp consisted of Austin (1st round 2013), Pettis (3rd Rd 2011), Givens (4th round 2012), Quick (2nd round 2012) as well as tight ends Jared Cook (51-671 5 TDs in 2013) and Kendricks (2nd round 2011). Maybe they thought they expended enough picks (5) on receivers the previous 3 drafts? NOTE: I for one am glad they went with AD. Another receiver wouldn't have made Austin Davins or Shaun Hill that much better in 2014!!! Been following the horns since the Coliseum had a Roman playing there. McVay: 77-49, 2 Superbowls, 1 Lombardi............Doubt at your own peril 1 by Flash 5 years 1 month ago Total posts: 1205 Joined: Jan 13 2016 Houston Pro Bowl With Fowler and Weddle now signed--we gotta go D/T or D/E in round one, right? POST #36 Hacksaw wrote:Why does this seem so ridiculously unimportant ?Couldn't agree more. Sometimes people like to hear their-selves disagree. Not everything has to be a big to-do! Get off the high horses. RFU Season Ticket Holder by AvengerRam 5 years 1 month ago Total posts: 8686 Joined: Oct 03 2017 Lake Mary, Florida Hall of Fame With Fowler and Weddle now signed--we gotta go D/T or D/E in round one, right? POST #37 PARAM wrote:That is taking need into serious consideration on every level.No, its taking BOTH into serious consideration on every level. Just as nobody drafts in a need-blind manner, nobody drafts in a BPA-blind manner. If they did, then (using the 2019 Rams as an example), our draft board would be a list of 31 prospects at one position (the "top need" spot).In my experience discussing BPA, it was accepted to mean just that. "Best Player Available regardless of position".So what? We're not talking about your "experience." I've repeatedly stated that I'm not using the term that way (and Snead has used the term the same way I am) but you guys just keep running back to your straw man.In deference to those who are rightly tired of this debate, I'm going to leave it at that. Feel free to take the last word if that's what is motivating you (I'll be happy to receive another $1.79 stipend from the site when zn responds ) by safer 5 years 3 days ago Total posts: 1275 Joined: Feb 03 2016 LA Coliseum Pro Bowl With Fowler and Weddle now signed--we gotta go D/T or D/E in round one, right? POST #38 TOPIC AUTHOR GUYS, PULEEEEESE, Give up this nitpicking, anal argument and let's get back to having fun. It's certainly not fun to read. (ahem!--and now back to the fun part)NT Dexter Lawrence is THE guy who IMHO fits both a critical need (assuming that we won't be able to re-sign Brokers next year when Goff AND Fowler Jr. come up for big $$). Dexter very well could fall into the lower twenties. Our 1st, lower 3rd this year and a mid rounder next year would get us the #1 ranked player at a need position. IF we go to camp and our younger Dline guys show up, we could even trade Brockers. Next year we'd have AD (locked up already), Dexter and Franklin Myers starting for us with great depth up front, and no more money needed for a few years at Dline. by Hacksaw 5 years 3 days ago Total posts: 24523 Joined: Apr 15 2015 AT THE BEACH Moderator Re: With Fowler and Weddle now signed--we gotta go D/T or D/E in round one, right? POST #39 Yeah, folks need to step back from the ledge. GO RAMS !!! GO DODGERS !!! GO LAKERS !!!THE GREATEST SHOW ON TURF,, WAS by /zn/ 5 years 2 days ago Total posts: 6763 Joined: Jun 28 2015 Maine Hall of Fame With Fowler and Weddle now signed--we gotta go D/T or D/E in round one, right? POST #40 actionjack wrote:BPA of DE/DL/ OLB or CB or trade down if talent isnt much different into second round.That sounds pretty likely. Maybe there's an OL at 31 they like. Evan Silva@evansilvathinking this is a great draft class. Mediocre QBs & terrible RBs but really strong WR/TE/OL/DL/DBs. Reply 4 / 4 1 4 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 40 posts Apr 17 2024 FOLLOW US @RAMSFANSUNITED Who liked this post
by Hacksaw 5 years 1 month ago Total posts: 24523 Joined: Apr 15 2015 AT THE BEACH Moderator Re: With Fowler and Weddle now signed--we gotta go D/T or D/E in round one, right? POST #34 Why does this seem so ridiculously unimportant ? GO RAMS !!! GO DODGERS !!! GO LAKERS !!!THE GREATEST SHOW ON TURF,, WAS by PARAM 5 years 1 month ago Total posts: 12240 Joined: Jul 15 2015 Just far enough North of Philadelphia Hall of Fame With Fowler and Weddle now signed--we gotta go D/T or D/E in round one, right? POST #35 Elvis liked this post AvengerRam wrote:Snead said, in essence, that he narrows the search to several (not one) key needs (which are not all equal) then try’s to identify the BEST PLAYER AVAILABLE within the various need positions. That’s how I’m using the term too. The goal is to get an A player at the No. 1 need. Sometimes, though, it comes down to a choice between (for example) an A player at the No. 3 need or a B player at the No. 1 need. When that happens, you have to choose...prioritize filling the need, or fill a lesser need with the BPA.If you disagree with that, say so. Don’t redefine BPA and tell us that you disagree with your own straw man.That is taking need into serious consideration on every level. Of course when you're making a pick to fill a need, you want the best player possible for the need, who's still available. In my experience discussing BPA, it was accepted to mean just that. "Best Player Available regardless of position". But that's a term used, if not invented by draftniks like Mel Kiper. It doesn't mean that is how NFL teams played it. "You build a draft board, ranking players from top to bottom, regardless of position and follow it taking the best player available when you pick." Again where is the proof? Meaning an NFL decision maker saying "we needed a wide receiver but that safety was head and shoulders above everybody left on our board so we took him even though we have two pro bowl players and another youngster we took in the 2nd round last year at the position". The proof is not us as fans, saying 'well see there; they took Aaron Donald even though they needed wide receiver help. Hell Brandin Cooks, Kelvin Benjamin, Marquise Lee and Jordan Matthews were all available.' We don't know where those 4 wide receivers were ranked on their board and we don't know what they thought of Kendall Langford at DT. Perhaps they thought, after signing Langford to a 4 year 24 mil contract in 2012 to bolster the run defense, they weren't getting good value on their dollar. #15 in 2012 vs the run, #9 in 2013 and #14 in 2014 as well as #15 vs the pass in 2012, #19 in 2013 and #19 in 2014. It doesn't look much like good value in either category. So perhaps with Jeffrey Fisher in charge, DT was a huge need (in his mind)? We just don't know. We can say, "they were happy with Langford and DT was not as big of a need as WR" but is that what they thought? Their receiving corp consisted of Austin (1st round 2013), Pettis (3rd Rd 2011), Givens (4th round 2012), Quick (2nd round 2012) as well as tight ends Jared Cook (51-671 5 TDs in 2013) and Kendricks (2nd round 2011). Maybe they thought they expended enough picks (5) on receivers the previous 3 drafts? NOTE: I for one am glad they went with AD. Another receiver wouldn't have made Austin Davins or Shaun Hill that much better in 2014!!! Been following the horns since the Coliseum had a Roman playing there. McVay: 77-49, 2 Superbowls, 1 Lombardi............Doubt at your own peril 1 by Flash 5 years 1 month ago Total posts: 1205 Joined: Jan 13 2016 Houston Pro Bowl With Fowler and Weddle now signed--we gotta go D/T or D/E in round one, right? POST #36 Hacksaw wrote:Why does this seem so ridiculously unimportant ?Couldn't agree more. Sometimes people like to hear their-selves disagree. Not everything has to be a big to-do! Get off the high horses. RFU Season Ticket Holder by AvengerRam 5 years 1 month ago Total posts: 8686 Joined: Oct 03 2017 Lake Mary, Florida Hall of Fame With Fowler and Weddle now signed--we gotta go D/T or D/E in round one, right? POST #37 PARAM wrote:That is taking need into serious consideration on every level.No, its taking BOTH into serious consideration on every level. Just as nobody drafts in a need-blind manner, nobody drafts in a BPA-blind manner. If they did, then (using the 2019 Rams as an example), our draft board would be a list of 31 prospects at one position (the "top need" spot).In my experience discussing BPA, it was accepted to mean just that. "Best Player Available regardless of position".So what? We're not talking about your "experience." I've repeatedly stated that I'm not using the term that way (and Snead has used the term the same way I am) but you guys just keep running back to your straw man.In deference to those who are rightly tired of this debate, I'm going to leave it at that. Feel free to take the last word if that's what is motivating you (I'll be happy to receive another $1.79 stipend from the site when zn responds ) by safer 5 years 3 days ago Total posts: 1275 Joined: Feb 03 2016 LA Coliseum Pro Bowl With Fowler and Weddle now signed--we gotta go D/T or D/E in round one, right? POST #38 TOPIC AUTHOR GUYS, PULEEEEESE, Give up this nitpicking, anal argument and let's get back to having fun. It's certainly not fun to read. (ahem!--and now back to the fun part)NT Dexter Lawrence is THE guy who IMHO fits both a critical need (assuming that we won't be able to re-sign Brokers next year when Goff AND Fowler Jr. come up for big $$). Dexter very well could fall into the lower twenties. Our 1st, lower 3rd this year and a mid rounder next year would get us the #1 ranked player at a need position. IF we go to camp and our younger Dline guys show up, we could even trade Brockers. Next year we'd have AD (locked up already), Dexter and Franklin Myers starting for us with great depth up front, and no more money needed for a few years at Dline. by Hacksaw 5 years 3 days ago Total posts: 24523 Joined: Apr 15 2015 AT THE BEACH Moderator Re: With Fowler and Weddle now signed--we gotta go D/T or D/E in round one, right? POST #39 Yeah, folks need to step back from the ledge. GO RAMS !!! GO DODGERS !!! GO LAKERS !!!THE GREATEST SHOW ON TURF,, WAS by /zn/ 5 years 2 days ago Total posts: 6763 Joined: Jun 28 2015 Maine Hall of Fame With Fowler and Weddle now signed--we gotta go D/T or D/E in round one, right? POST #40 actionjack wrote:BPA of DE/DL/ OLB or CB or trade down if talent isnt much different into second round.That sounds pretty likely. Maybe there's an OL at 31 they like. Evan Silva@evansilvathinking this is a great draft class. Mediocre QBs & terrible RBs but really strong WR/TE/OL/DL/DBs. Reply 4 / 4 1 4 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 40 posts Apr 17 2024 FOLLOW US @RAMSFANSUNITED Who liked this post
by PARAM 5 years 1 month ago Total posts: 12240 Joined: Jul 15 2015 Just far enough North of Philadelphia Hall of Fame With Fowler and Weddle now signed--we gotta go D/T or D/E in round one, right? POST #35 Elvis liked this post AvengerRam wrote:Snead said, in essence, that he narrows the search to several (not one) key needs (which are not all equal) then try’s to identify the BEST PLAYER AVAILABLE within the various need positions. That’s how I’m using the term too. The goal is to get an A player at the No. 1 need. Sometimes, though, it comes down to a choice between (for example) an A player at the No. 3 need or a B player at the No. 1 need. When that happens, you have to choose...prioritize filling the need, or fill a lesser need with the BPA.If you disagree with that, say so. Don’t redefine BPA and tell us that you disagree with your own straw man.That is taking need into serious consideration on every level. Of course when you're making a pick to fill a need, you want the best player possible for the need, who's still available. In my experience discussing BPA, it was accepted to mean just that. "Best Player Available regardless of position". But that's a term used, if not invented by draftniks like Mel Kiper. It doesn't mean that is how NFL teams played it. "You build a draft board, ranking players from top to bottom, regardless of position and follow it taking the best player available when you pick." Again where is the proof? Meaning an NFL decision maker saying "we needed a wide receiver but that safety was head and shoulders above everybody left on our board so we took him even though we have two pro bowl players and another youngster we took in the 2nd round last year at the position". The proof is not us as fans, saying 'well see there; they took Aaron Donald even though they needed wide receiver help. Hell Brandin Cooks, Kelvin Benjamin, Marquise Lee and Jordan Matthews were all available.' We don't know where those 4 wide receivers were ranked on their board and we don't know what they thought of Kendall Langford at DT. Perhaps they thought, after signing Langford to a 4 year 24 mil contract in 2012 to bolster the run defense, they weren't getting good value on their dollar. #15 in 2012 vs the run, #9 in 2013 and #14 in 2014 as well as #15 vs the pass in 2012, #19 in 2013 and #19 in 2014. It doesn't look much like good value in either category. So perhaps with Jeffrey Fisher in charge, DT was a huge need (in his mind)? We just don't know. We can say, "they were happy with Langford and DT was not as big of a need as WR" but is that what they thought? Their receiving corp consisted of Austin (1st round 2013), Pettis (3rd Rd 2011), Givens (4th round 2012), Quick (2nd round 2012) as well as tight ends Jared Cook (51-671 5 TDs in 2013) and Kendricks (2nd round 2011). Maybe they thought they expended enough picks (5) on receivers the previous 3 drafts? NOTE: I for one am glad they went with AD. Another receiver wouldn't have made Austin Davins or Shaun Hill that much better in 2014!!! Been following the horns since the Coliseum had a Roman playing there. McVay: 77-49, 2 Superbowls, 1 Lombardi............Doubt at your own peril 1 by Flash 5 years 1 month ago Total posts: 1205 Joined: Jan 13 2016 Houston Pro Bowl With Fowler and Weddle now signed--we gotta go D/T or D/E in round one, right? POST #36 Hacksaw wrote:Why does this seem so ridiculously unimportant ?Couldn't agree more. Sometimes people like to hear their-selves disagree. Not everything has to be a big to-do! Get off the high horses. RFU Season Ticket Holder by AvengerRam 5 years 1 month ago Total posts: 8686 Joined: Oct 03 2017 Lake Mary, Florida Hall of Fame With Fowler and Weddle now signed--we gotta go D/T or D/E in round one, right? POST #37 PARAM wrote:That is taking need into serious consideration on every level.No, its taking BOTH into serious consideration on every level. Just as nobody drafts in a need-blind manner, nobody drafts in a BPA-blind manner. If they did, then (using the 2019 Rams as an example), our draft board would be a list of 31 prospects at one position (the "top need" spot).In my experience discussing BPA, it was accepted to mean just that. "Best Player Available regardless of position".So what? We're not talking about your "experience." I've repeatedly stated that I'm not using the term that way (and Snead has used the term the same way I am) but you guys just keep running back to your straw man.In deference to those who are rightly tired of this debate, I'm going to leave it at that. Feel free to take the last word if that's what is motivating you (I'll be happy to receive another $1.79 stipend from the site when zn responds ) by safer 5 years 3 days ago Total posts: 1275 Joined: Feb 03 2016 LA Coliseum Pro Bowl With Fowler and Weddle now signed--we gotta go D/T or D/E in round one, right? POST #38 TOPIC AUTHOR GUYS, PULEEEEESE, Give up this nitpicking, anal argument and let's get back to having fun. It's certainly not fun to read. (ahem!--and now back to the fun part)NT Dexter Lawrence is THE guy who IMHO fits both a critical need (assuming that we won't be able to re-sign Brokers next year when Goff AND Fowler Jr. come up for big $$). Dexter very well could fall into the lower twenties. Our 1st, lower 3rd this year and a mid rounder next year would get us the #1 ranked player at a need position. IF we go to camp and our younger Dline guys show up, we could even trade Brockers. Next year we'd have AD (locked up already), Dexter and Franklin Myers starting for us with great depth up front, and no more money needed for a few years at Dline. by Hacksaw 5 years 3 days ago Total posts: 24523 Joined: Apr 15 2015 AT THE BEACH Moderator Re: With Fowler and Weddle now signed--we gotta go D/T or D/E in round one, right? POST #39 Yeah, folks need to step back from the ledge. GO RAMS !!! GO DODGERS !!! GO LAKERS !!!THE GREATEST SHOW ON TURF,, WAS by /zn/ 5 years 2 days ago Total posts: 6763 Joined: Jun 28 2015 Maine Hall of Fame With Fowler and Weddle now signed--we gotta go D/T or D/E in round one, right? POST #40 actionjack wrote:BPA of DE/DL/ OLB or CB or trade down if talent isnt much different into second round.That sounds pretty likely. Maybe there's an OL at 31 they like. Evan Silva@evansilvathinking this is a great draft class. Mediocre QBs & terrible RBs but really strong WR/TE/OL/DL/DBs. Reply 4 / 4 1 4 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 40 posts Apr 17 2024
by Flash 5 years 1 month ago Total posts: 1205 Joined: Jan 13 2016 Houston Pro Bowl With Fowler and Weddle now signed--we gotta go D/T or D/E in round one, right? POST #36 Hacksaw wrote:Why does this seem so ridiculously unimportant ?Couldn't agree more. Sometimes people like to hear their-selves disagree. Not everything has to be a big to-do! Get off the high horses. RFU Season Ticket Holder by AvengerRam 5 years 1 month ago Total posts: 8686 Joined: Oct 03 2017 Lake Mary, Florida Hall of Fame With Fowler and Weddle now signed--we gotta go D/T or D/E in round one, right? POST #37 PARAM wrote:That is taking need into serious consideration on every level.No, its taking BOTH into serious consideration on every level. Just as nobody drafts in a need-blind manner, nobody drafts in a BPA-blind manner. If they did, then (using the 2019 Rams as an example), our draft board would be a list of 31 prospects at one position (the "top need" spot).In my experience discussing BPA, it was accepted to mean just that. "Best Player Available regardless of position".So what? We're not talking about your "experience." I've repeatedly stated that I'm not using the term that way (and Snead has used the term the same way I am) but you guys just keep running back to your straw man.In deference to those who are rightly tired of this debate, I'm going to leave it at that. Feel free to take the last word if that's what is motivating you (I'll be happy to receive another $1.79 stipend from the site when zn responds ) by safer 5 years 3 days ago Total posts: 1275 Joined: Feb 03 2016 LA Coliseum Pro Bowl With Fowler and Weddle now signed--we gotta go D/T or D/E in round one, right? POST #38 TOPIC AUTHOR GUYS, PULEEEEESE, Give up this nitpicking, anal argument and let's get back to having fun. It's certainly not fun to read. (ahem!--and now back to the fun part)NT Dexter Lawrence is THE guy who IMHO fits both a critical need (assuming that we won't be able to re-sign Brokers next year when Goff AND Fowler Jr. come up for big $$). Dexter very well could fall into the lower twenties. Our 1st, lower 3rd this year and a mid rounder next year would get us the #1 ranked player at a need position. IF we go to camp and our younger Dline guys show up, we could even trade Brockers. Next year we'd have AD (locked up already), Dexter and Franklin Myers starting for us with great depth up front, and no more money needed for a few years at Dline. by Hacksaw 5 years 3 days ago Total posts: 24523 Joined: Apr 15 2015 AT THE BEACH Moderator Re: With Fowler and Weddle now signed--we gotta go D/T or D/E in round one, right? POST #39 Yeah, folks need to step back from the ledge. GO RAMS !!! GO DODGERS !!! GO LAKERS !!!THE GREATEST SHOW ON TURF,, WAS by /zn/ 5 years 2 days ago Total posts: 6763 Joined: Jun 28 2015 Maine Hall of Fame With Fowler and Weddle now signed--we gotta go D/T or D/E in round one, right? POST #40 actionjack wrote:BPA of DE/DL/ OLB or CB or trade down if talent isnt much different into second round.That sounds pretty likely. Maybe there's an OL at 31 they like. Evan Silva@evansilvathinking this is a great draft class. Mediocre QBs & terrible RBs but really strong WR/TE/OL/DL/DBs. Reply 4 / 4 1 4 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 40 posts Apr 17 2024
by AvengerRam 5 years 1 month ago Total posts: 8686 Joined: Oct 03 2017 Lake Mary, Florida Hall of Fame With Fowler and Weddle now signed--we gotta go D/T or D/E in round one, right? POST #37 PARAM wrote:That is taking need into serious consideration on every level.No, its taking BOTH into serious consideration on every level. Just as nobody drafts in a need-blind manner, nobody drafts in a BPA-blind manner. If they did, then (using the 2019 Rams as an example), our draft board would be a list of 31 prospects at one position (the "top need" spot).In my experience discussing BPA, it was accepted to mean just that. "Best Player Available regardless of position".So what? We're not talking about your "experience." I've repeatedly stated that I'm not using the term that way (and Snead has used the term the same way I am) but you guys just keep running back to your straw man.In deference to those who are rightly tired of this debate, I'm going to leave it at that. Feel free to take the last word if that's what is motivating you (I'll be happy to receive another $1.79 stipend from the site when zn responds ) by safer 5 years 3 days ago Total posts: 1275 Joined: Feb 03 2016 LA Coliseum Pro Bowl With Fowler and Weddle now signed--we gotta go D/T or D/E in round one, right? POST #38 TOPIC AUTHOR GUYS, PULEEEEESE, Give up this nitpicking, anal argument and let's get back to having fun. It's certainly not fun to read. (ahem!--and now back to the fun part)NT Dexter Lawrence is THE guy who IMHO fits both a critical need (assuming that we won't be able to re-sign Brokers next year when Goff AND Fowler Jr. come up for big $$). Dexter very well could fall into the lower twenties. Our 1st, lower 3rd this year and a mid rounder next year would get us the #1 ranked player at a need position. IF we go to camp and our younger Dline guys show up, we could even trade Brockers. Next year we'd have AD (locked up already), Dexter and Franklin Myers starting for us with great depth up front, and no more money needed for a few years at Dline. by Hacksaw 5 years 3 days ago Total posts: 24523 Joined: Apr 15 2015 AT THE BEACH Moderator Re: With Fowler and Weddle now signed--we gotta go D/T or D/E in round one, right? POST #39 Yeah, folks need to step back from the ledge. GO RAMS !!! GO DODGERS !!! GO LAKERS !!!THE GREATEST SHOW ON TURF,, WAS by /zn/ 5 years 2 days ago Total posts: 6763 Joined: Jun 28 2015 Maine Hall of Fame With Fowler and Weddle now signed--we gotta go D/T or D/E in round one, right? POST #40 actionjack wrote:BPA of DE/DL/ OLB or CB or trade down if talent isnt much different into second round.That sounds pretty likely. Maybe there's an OL at 31 they like. Evan Silva@evansilvathinking this is a great draft class. Mediocre QBs & terrible RBs but really strong WR/TE/OL/DL/DBs. Reply 4 / 4 1 4 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 40 posts Apr 17 2024
by safer 5 years 3 days ago Total posts: 1275 Joined: Feb 03 2016 LA Coliseum Pro Bowl With Fowler and Weddle now signed--we gotta go D/T or D/E in round one, right? POST #38 TOPIC AUTHOR GUYS, PULEEEEESE, Give up this nitpicking, anal argument and let's get back to having fun. It's certainly not fun to read. (ahem!--and now back to the fun part)NT Dexter Lawrence is THE guy who IMHO fits both a critical need (assuming that we won't be able to re-sign Brokers next year when Goff AND Fowler Jr. come up for big $$). Dexter very well could fall into the lower twenties. Our 1st, lower 3rd this year and a mid rounder next year would get us the #1 ranked player at a need position. IF we go to camp and our younger Dline guys show up, we could even trade Brockers. Next year we'd have AD (locked up already), Dexter and Franklin Myers starting for us with great depth up front, and no more money needed for a few years at Dline. by Hacksaw 5 years 3 days ago Total posts: 24523 Joined: Apr 15 2015 AT THE BEACH Moderator Re: With Fowler and Weddle now signed--we gotta go D/T or D/E in round one, right? POST #39 Yeah, folks need to step back from the ledge. GO RAMS !!! GO DODGERS !!! GO LAKERS !!!THE GREATEST SHOW ON TURF,, WAS by /zn/ 5 years 2 days ago Total posts: 6763 Joined: Jun 28 2015 Maine Hall of Fame With Fowler and Weddle now signed--we gotta go D/T or D/E in round one, right? POST #40 actionjack wrote:BPA of DE/DL/ OLB or CB or trade down if talent isnt much different into second round.That sounds pretty likely. Maybe there's an OL at 31 they like. Evan Silva@evansilvathinking this is a great draft class. Mediocre QBs & terrible RBs but really strong WR/TE/OL/DL/DBs. Reply 4 / 4 1 4 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 40 posts Apr 17 2024
by Hacksaw 5 years 3 days ago Total posts: 24523 Joined: Apr 15 2015 AT THE BEACH Moderator Re: With Fowler and Weddle now signed--we gotta go D/T or D/E in round one, right? POST #39 Yeah, folks need to step back from the ledge. GO RAMS !!! GO DODGERS !!! GO LAKERS !!!THE GREATEST SHOW ON TURF,, WAS by /zn/ 5 years 2 days ago Total posts: 6763 Joined: Jun 28 2015 Maine Hall of Fame With Fowler and Weddle now signed--we gotta go D/T or D/E in round one, right? POST #40 actionjack wrote:BPA of DE/DL/ OLB or CB or trade down if talent isnt much different into second round.That sounds pretty likely. Maybe there's an OL at 31 they like. Evan Silva@evansilvathinking this is a great draft class. Mediocre QBs & terrible RBs but really strong WR/TE/OL/DL/DBs. Reply 4 / 4 1 4 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 40 posts Apr 17 2024
by /zn/ 5 years 2 days ago Total posts: 6763 Joined: Jun 28 2015 Maine Hall of Fame With Fowler and Weddle now signed--we gotta go D/T or D/E in round one, right? POST #40 actionjack wrote:BPA of DE/DL/ OLB or CB or trade down if talent isnt much different into second round.That sounds pretty likely. Maybe there's an OL at 31 they like. Evan Silva@evansilvathinking this is a great draft class. Mediocre QBs & terrible RBs but really strong WR/TE/OL/DL/DBs. Reply 4 / 4 1 4 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business