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 by PARAM
1 week ago
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Barbados   Just far enough North of Philadelphia
Hall of Fame

I was surprised. They asked 5 or 6 football questions of McVay. Thought for sure it would ALL be about Gruden.

 by St. Loser Fan
1 week ago
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 Joined:  May 31 2016
United States of America   LA Coliseum
Hall of Fame

 by /zn/
6 days ago
 Total posts:   6321  
 Joined:  Jun 28 2015
United States of America   Maine
Hall of Fame

UtahRam wrote:Are you implying people can't change? Yes, it was 10 years ago and maybe he's a changed man. I don't know him and neither do you. Douse that torch with water, son, and take a chill pill.


No I am not implying people can't change. What I am saying is that "10 years ago" is 2012, not 1961. In 2012 plenty of people already knew not to be racist, homophobic, and/or sexist. So saying it was all said "10 years ago" doesn't mean anything to me--when it comes to these issues, plenty of people were not thinking in those terms, ie. the way Gruden was. And by that I don't mean that they were smart enough not to say racist, homophibic, and/or sexist things. No, I mean they were aware enough to not think that way.

So "10 years ago" was NOT the dark ages. I don't buy the idea that 10 years ago most white men like Gruden would be embarassed by their emails. No, 10 years ago there were plenty of people who would not be embarassed by their emails.

Besides. If Gruden did change since then then he certainly has the power to say so. Did he say so? If he had changed you would think that would be one of the first things he would say about himself. "I accept my fate, I regret I used to be that way, but I think it's important to add that I have changed". Easy enough to say.

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 by St. Loser Fan
6 days ago
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 Joined:  May 31 2016
United States of America   LA Coliseum
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It wasn't just execs and Dan Snyder: there might be email chains where topless pictures of Washington Redskins cheerleaders were passed around team coaches.


 by Joe Pendleton
6 days ago
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 Joined:  Jun 12 2021
Virgin Islands (USA)   LA Coliseum
Rookie

.. whoah, not touching this one (lol)

 by Elvis
6 days ago
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 Joined:  Mar 28 2015
United States of America   Los Angeles
Administrator

Getting back to the LA Times article i posted, and if i understand this right, the leak was from a court case filed by Snyder not necessarily the WFT investigation itself...

 by Joe Pendleton
6 days ago
 Total posts:   258  
 Joined:  Jun 12 2021
Virgin Islands (USA)   LA Coliseum
Rookie

nice post @St. Loser Fan .. i think it's safe to say that "the proverbial cat is officially out of the bag"

 by Haden
6 days ago
 Total posts:   1677  
 Joined:  Sep 06 2016
United States of America   Spokane, WA
Pro Bowl

I think Gruden is just misunderstood.

 by majik
6 days ago
 Total posts:   980  
 Joined:  Aug 31 2015
United States of America   New Jersey
Veteran

The person who most benefits from this leak is Davis who gets out of the horrible contract he gave Gruden.

Will leaks come out about Snyder? Will he be finally forced to sell the team? Or is just devoid of shame and refuse to divest himself from the team if emails and documents make Gruden look like a choirboy compared to Synder?

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