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Well ZN I suppose there's a Stat for everything if anyone is trying hard to fish up a apology for Goff's happy feet..

Yeah Stafford is mobile, Goff wasn't. Shrug. He didn't have happy feet though--if anything his biggest flaw was hanging to make plays when he shouldn't. That's what led to the multiple strip sacks and fumbles in a spurt of bad games. He held in when it would have been better to run (and slide cause sometimes he didn't), get out of bounds, throw it away, or take the sack.

And in fact if someone IS bad under pressure it would show in the stats. We can match pressures to performance--with PFR stats, we can see the number of pressures game by game, and measure how the qb came through. And yeah sometimes he did not come through, but the numbers do not back the idea that he was consistently horrible under pressure. He just wasn't. For example the most pressures he faced the last 3 years was against the Chiefs on the famous Monday Night game in 2018. He came through. There are other games where he came through when the pressures mounted up.

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from 2021 NFL Quarterback Tiers: 50 coaches and evaluators rank the league’s starters

Mike Sando

https://theathletic.com/2727336/2021/07 ... -starters/

The all-star voting panel included seven general managers, five head coaches, 11 coordinators, 15 executives, seven quarterbacks coaches and five others working in front offices or in other coaching capacities. They placed 34 veteran quarterbacks into one of five tiers, from best (Tier 1) to worst (Tier 5). Quarterbacks were placed in the tiers in which they received the most votes, ordered by average vote. Unanimous Tier 1 choices averaged 1.00, while the lowest-rated player averaged 4.34.

TIER 1
A Tier 1 quarterback can carry his team each week. The team wins because of him. He expertly handles pure passing situations. He has no real holes in his game.

[Their choices: Rodgers, Mahomes, Brady, Wilson, Watson]

TIER 2
A Tier 2 quarterback can carry his team sometimes but not as consistently. He can handle pure passing situations in doses and/or possesses other dimensions that are special enough to elevate him above Tier 3. He has a hole or two in his game.

[Their choices: Allen & Jackson before Stafford]

7. Matthew Stafford
Tier 1 votes: 4 | Tier 2 votes: 38 | Tier 3 votes: 8 | 2020 Tier: 2

Stafford rose two spots from last year after Drew Brees retired and Ben Roethlisberger fell into Tier 3. The vote distribution for the Lions-turned-Rams starter was virtually unchanged. Quite a few think he can ascend under coach Sean McVay, but durability concerns persist.

“McVay’s system will play to his strengths,” an NFC North coach said. “Stafford played some of his better football when they did more under-center stuff at Detroit. Before that, they were so much gun, dropback pass game and you saw the gunslinger in him, where he had his up-and-down games.”

The Lions during Stafford’s starting tenure ranked among the NFL’s top half in combined defensive and special-teams EPA three times. The team won nine, 10 and 11 games in those seasons, but only 5.7 on average in the other seasons in which Stafford started at least 10 games. The Rams in 2018 reached the Super Bowl despite ranking 19th in that combined category. They were third last season on the strength of a top-ranked defense, which offset a 31st-ranked special teams.

“Stafford is significantly better than Goff, and he changes the ceiling of that team from an offensive standpoint,” a defensive coach said, “but they were also No. 1 defensively last year and lost their coordinator. One of Stafford’s issues has been trusting his arm too much. The system just by play-calling will limit some of those opportunities. It is blended into the play-action and the boots and the set-up shots where Matt can still uncork stuff.”

The Lions were 0-3 in postseason play with Stafford. The Rams won a playoff game with Goff just last season. A former GM compared dumping Goff to a team firing its coach after an 8-8 season. Any team making such a move had better win more than eight games the next year.

“I’m going to say he’s a 3,” an evaluator from an NFC West rival said. “Durability is the issue, and then he has those one-off, what-the-hell-was-that type decision making. But that level of talent with McVay, trust me, I wish it wasn’t in our division.”

[AvengerRam]

Saints Be Praised!!!

A Saints fan in our midst!

[Elvis]

Madden didn't get the hype memo:

[Hacksaw]

Perhaps Madden at 85 is letting the youngin's decide.

[Elvis]

OTOH, AD and Ramsey got 99 rating in Madden...

[aeneas1]

yeah, no one ranked stafford a top 10 qb at the end of last season, he was in the 13th - 15th range, but the stafford + mcvay marriage shot stafford way up the ahead of 2021 rankings charts, so madden probably calculated their grades before then... in other news, donald should be alone at the top with the highest madden score, just sayin'.

Madden didn't get the hype memo:

[aeneas1]

the top 5 scoring offenses for the 2019-2020 two-year stretch - also included are the nfc west teams and their rankings for the same period.

so hard to believe that all of the nfc west teams outscored the rams over the past two seasons, and equally hard to believe that shanny outscored mcvay given shanny's 2020 qb sitch.

anyway, now that mcvay has stafford, he needs to return the nfl universe to its proper order, by again putting the rams offense at or near the top in scoring!

[Haden]

Madden didn't get the hype memo:

Stafford sucks. Bring back Goff!!!!!

[Hacksaw]

I didn't see Goff on that list either.