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 by AvengerRam
1 week ago
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Israel   Lake Mary, Florida
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1. The draft did not go as I expected.

2. And that's... okay.

3. I thought the Rams would prioritize CB and OL. I was wrong.

4. Given that Snead/McVay and Co. know more than I do, the question I'm asking is "what are the Rams seeing that I'm not seeing." Here are some thoughts...

5. Perhaps the Rams believe that, given the complexity of their offense, players with a year or more in the system - even if watching from the sidelines - have a greater chance of success than rookies.

6. Perhaps the Rams were particularly concerned with the way the Packers ran the ball on the defense in the playoffs, and therefore prioritized run stoppers like Ernest Jones and Bobby Brown.

7. Perhaps the Rams thought the offensive line, more than anything, needed deep threats to keep defenders out of the box, and therefore prioritized adding speedy players like Tutu Atwell and Jacob Harris (and, of course, DJax).

8. I think the Rams have the potential for improved rosters at most of the position groups.

9. At QB, Stafford > Goff. That's the big one.

10. At RB, Cam Akers and Darrell Henderson should improve with experience (and, hopefully, good health). There are prospects behind them who should make up for the loss of Malcolm Brown.

11. At WR, we're stacked with Woods, Kupp, Jefferson, DJax and Atwell.

12. At TE, Higbee and Mundt return, while Brycen Hopkins and Harris will compete to fill the role vacated upon Gerald Everett's departure.

13. The OL is the big question mark, as noted.

14. On the DL, the Rams drafted to replace lost pieces (Brockers, Fox). I'm also intrigued by what A'Shawn Robinson can bring to the table after a healthy offseason.

15. The LB corps has potential with the addition of Jones. If Terrell Lewis and Obo can stay healthy, the pass rush should remain strong.

16. The Rams are counting on young players such as Taylor Rapp, Jordan Fuller and Terrell Burgess. At CB, we're in good shape.

17. The draft class brings great potential for special teams play.

18. So, yeah... I'm optimistic. But, more than anything, I'm impressed how the Rams were able to keep the roster strong in the face of a ton of dead money resulting from the departure of Gurley, Goff and others.

19. The roster is far from perfect, and certainly there are young players who will need to step up, but I certainly see enough talent to make another playoff run.

20. And now.... we wait.

 by max
1 week ago
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United States of America   Fairfield County, CT
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AvengerRam wrote:1. The draft did not go as I expected.

2. And that's... okay.

3. I thought the Rams would prioritize CB and OL. I was wrong.

4. Given that Snead/McVay and Co. know more than I do, the question I'm asking is "what are the Rams seeing that I'm not seeing." Here are some thoughts...

5. Perhaps the Rams believe that, given the complexity of their offense, players with a year or more in the system - even if watching from the sidelines - have a greater chance of success than rookies.

6. Perhaps the Rams were particularly concerned with the way the Packers ran the ball on the defense in the playoffs, and therefore prioritized run stoppers like Ernest Jones and Bobby Brown.

7. Perhaps the Rams thought the offensive line, more than anything, needed deep threats to keep defenders out of the box, and therefore prioritized adding speedy players like Tutu Atwell and Jacob Harris (and, of course, DJax).

8. I think the Rams have the potential for improved rosters at most of the position groups.

9. At QB, Stafford > Goff. That's the big one.

10. At RB, Cam Akers and Darrell Henderson should improve with experience (and, hopefully, good health). There are prospects behind them who should make up for the loss of Malcolm Brown.

11. At WR, we're stacked with Woods, Kupp, Jefferson, DJax and Atwell.

12. At TE, Higbee and Mundt return, while Brycen Hopkins and Harris will compete to fill the role vacated upon Gerald Everett's departure.

13. The OL is the big question mark, as noted.

14. On the DL, the Rams drafted to replace lost pieces (Brockers, Fox). I'm also intrigued by what A'Shawn Robinson can bring to the table after a healthy offseason.

15. The LB corps has potential with the addition of Jones. If Terrell Lewis and Obo can stay healthy, the pass rush should remain strong.

16. The Rams are counting on young players such as Taylor Rapp, Jordan Fuller and Terrell Burgess. At CB, we're in good shape.

17. The draft class brings great potential for special teams play.

18. So, yeah... I'm optimistic. But, more than anything, I'm impressed how the Rams were able to keep the roster strong in the face of a ton of dead money resulting from the departure of Gurley, Goff and others.

19. The roster is far from perfect, and certainly there are young players who will need to step up, but I certainly see enough talent to make another playoff run.

20. And now.... we wait.


Certainly looks like you’ve changed your views based on what the Rams did. I get giving them the benefit of the doubt. It’s just like with the QB position. Many here were defending Goff as a very good QB, then when the trade for Stafford happened we acknowledged that Goff really wasn’t very good and Stafford was a major upgrade.

So why then not give them the benefit of the doubt on the OL? They said they’ve got it covered. Why then say it’s a big question mark?

Of course, I’m playing devils advocate again.

I also think the OL is a big question mark. Actually, I think it’s a disaster waiting to happen.

And I also think they are reckless when it comes to contracts and it causes them problems in roster building. So yeah, I agree with you that it’s impressive what they get done, especially after they burn through money on reckless contracts.

No team FO is perfect. The Rams have their strengths and weaknesses just like all the other teams. Up to this point they’ve been able to win under McVay so all is well. I just wonder how long he can keep it going under their approach. We shall see.

 by AvengerRam
1 week ago
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max wrote:Certainly looks like you’ve changed your views based on what the Rams did.

Not at all. My opinion was my opinion. The Rams did what they did. Do I think my opinion trumps their opinion? Of course not. Its called deference.
It’s just like with the QB position. Many here were defending Goff as a very good QB, then when the trade for Stafford happened we acknowledged that Goff really wasn’t very good and Stafford was a major upgrade.

I can only speak for myself. I thought Goff was a good QB when he was with the Rams. I still think he's a good QB. I initially thought Stafford was a comparable QB. Since the trade, I've looked at him more carefully, and I think it is an upgrade. Time will tell.
So why then not give them the benefit of the doubt on the OL? They said they’ve got it covered. Why then say it’s a big question mark?

I am giving them the benefit of the doubt.
I also think the OL is a big question mark. Actually, I think it’s a disaster waiting to happen.

I get that, but I think there's a certain degree of win/win strategy in that mentality. You'll either be saying you're happy to have been wrong, or you'll crow about being right.
And I also think they are reckless when it comes to contracts and it causes them problems in roster building. So yeah, I agree with you that it’s impressive what they get done, especially after they burn through money on reckless contracts.

And yet, the team is 43-21, with 3 playoff appearances and 3 playoff wins, over the past four years.
No team FO is perfect. The Rams have their strengths and weaknesses just like all the other teams. Up to this point they’ve been able to win under McVay so all is well. I just wonder how long he can keep it going under their approach. We shall see.

Of course no FO is perfect. But every FO knows more than we do.

 by actionjack
1 week ago
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United States of America   Sactown
Pro Bowl

I think the Rams did think they needed to get better up the middle. They needed a thumper and Jones fits the bill. I also think they needed to add depth along the line hence adding Bobby Brown. I really like the way he plays, hope to see him next to AD at some point.

I think drafting Jacob was 95% about special teams, if he can get coached up hopefully a weapon at TE down the road.

My biggest concern is the secondary. I do think Nick Scott will also be a part of the rotation, I know the Rams like him. I am concerned about the health of the CB/S room. Can Rapp bounce back from a underwhelming second year? Can Burgess and Fuller make it through the year? Who will emerge as the 3rd and 4th DB....

 by AvengerRam
1 week ago
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Israel   Lake Mary, Florida
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St. Loser Fan wrote:Not Rams related: but I am happy to see the excitement out of Chicago with the drafting of Justin Fields. Yes I know they're an NFC rival but no fanbase deserves the poor treatment their fans have had at that position.

Please don't derail threads with irrelevant comments.

 by HarRam
1 week ago
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United States of America   LA Coliseum
Undrafted Free Agent

Your points 5, 6, 7, and 9 are spot on.

My fear is that we've not done enough on the defensive line. Green Bay embarrassed the sh#t out of us. So, I hope Les and Sean and staff aren't done yet. There's still the post June 1 cuts. Problem: no cap space.

 by actionjack
1 week ago
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United States of America   Sactown
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HarRam wrote:Your points 5, 6, 7, and 9 are spot on.

My fear is that we've not done enough on the defensive line. Green Bay embarrassed the sh#t out of us. So, I hope Les and Sean and staff aren't done yet. There's still the post June 1 cuts. Problem: no cap space.


They did but that was basically without AD. Our defense also played the week before in an emotional game against Seattle in Seattle.

I think it was more do with replacing Brock (long term) and Fox. I cant wait to watch B Brown get after it....

 by PARAM
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AV, your points from top to bottom answer your questions IMHO. They must believe they have something in Corbett, Edwards, Anchrum, Noteboom, Evans, Shelton and Allen. Earlier this offseason I rewatched the first 6 games of 2019. I didn't see the huge Allen liability everyone else remembers. Did he get blown up sometimes? Sure but a lot of good players do. His ability to get to the 2nd level in the run game was good. His pass pro was fine.

Coming off a Superbowl year, I think the 9-7 non-playoff season of 2019, exacerbated the bad memories and blocked out anything good with many fans. Plus the O line was decimated in 2019 after enjoying perfect health in 2017 and 2018. Noteboom (who is a T not a G), Allen and Havenstein missed most of the season. And I'll repeat one more time.....through the first 5 weeks the Rams offense AVERAGED 28 PPG (something the Rams offense hasn't sniffed since) and were 3-2.....4-1 if Z makes the 44 yd FG. In game 6 against SF, the offense scored 7 points but that was the game Noteboom went down...early.

To Max's point, Goff was a pretty good QB but obviously not good enough for what McVay required. It's not like he stunk but was covered for by a phenominal offense. If the QB stinks, you don't have a phenominal offense. I can write off his 2019 season due to the OL injuries but last year he had problems too. Was some of that due to the lack of a deep threat? One might say that's on McVays mind because not only did they sign Jackson but drafted Tutu. Stafford is an upgrade, physically and mentally (as far as experience goes). But maybe it wasn't Goff or Blythe but the combination of the two?

Max has a good point about their handing out money but what else are you supposed to do when you have a RB like Gurley or a DT like Donald? Piss them off and let them walk?

But they did address some problem areas in the draft. The lack of speed. The lack of toughness in the LB corp. Filling the void Brockers left. Filling the void Hill left. They have enough S on the roster....good ones so the JJ loss might not be as glaring. And they grabbed a couple of DEs/OLB and special team demons....cause our ST were crappy last year.

We'll see.

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