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 by AvengerRam
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Tag season opens today. By way of review, there are three types of tags:

Exclusive Franchise Tag: Team tenders salary = to avg. of Top 5 players at the position in the previous season (or 120% of current salary, whichever is greater), player can still negotiate a long-term deal, but only with their current team.

Non-exclusive Franchise Tag: Team tenders salary = average of Top 5 players at the position over past 5 seasons (or 120% of current salary, whichever is greater), player can negotiate with other teams, current team can match or decline to do so and receive 2 first round picks as compensation.

Transition Tag: Team tenders salary = to average of Top 10 players at the position in previous year (or 120% of current salary, whichever is greater), player can negotiate with other teams, current team has right to match, but receives no compensation if they decline to do so.

Should the Rams use any of these tags?

In my mind, it comes down to the possibility of using the non-exclusive franchise tag on Leonard Floyd or John Johnson, or not using any tag. Johnson would cost less (around $11M) than Floyd (around $15M).

I'm guessing the Rams won't use the tag, but if they do, I'm betting it will be on Johnson.

 by safer
1 week ago
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United States of America   LA Coliseum
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With Fuller's emergence and our other quality depth at safety, I think Johnny walks. Damn good player, but we can't afford him

 by NJRAMFAN1
1 week ago
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United States of America   Jersey
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AvengerRam wrote:Tag season opens today. By way of review, there are three types of tags:

Exclusive Franchise Tag: Team tenders salary = to avg. of Top 5 players at the position in the previous season (or 120% of current salary, whichever is greater), player can still negotiate a long-term deal, but only with their current team.

Non-exclusive Franchise Tag: Team tenders salary = average of Top 5 players at the position over past 5 seasons (or 120% of current salary, whichever is greater), player can negotiate with other teams, current team can match or decline to do so and receive 2 first round picks as compensation.

Transition Tag: Team tenders salary = to average of Top 10 players at the position in previous year (or 120% of current salary, whichever is greater), player can negotiate with other teams, current team has right to match, but receives no compensation if they decline to do so.

Should the Rams use any of these tags?

In my mind, it comes down to the possibility of using the non-exclusive franchise tag on Leonard Floyd or John Johnson, or not using any tag. Johnson would cost less (around $11M) than Floyd (around $15M).

I'm guessing the Rams won't use the tag, but if they do, I'm betting it will be on Johnson.


If we do we probably have a greater need position wise with Floyd but Johnson has bee more consistent in his career so I would have to go with JJ.

 by JackPMiller
1 week ago
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United States of America   LA Coliseum
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https://theramswire.usatoday.com/2021/0 ... oyd-draft/

Rams could use tag-and-trade to add draft capital this offseason

Cameron DaSilva
February 23, 2021 2:56 pm


The franchise tag is often used as a last resort for teams who want to keep a certain player around for another year after being unable to come to terms on a long-term contract. The Rams have used it before on players such as Lamarcus Joyner and Trumaine Johnson, though neither signed an extension with the Rams after being tagged – which turned out to be a wise move by Los Angeles.

Given the cap situation and the cost of the franchise tag, the Rams seem unlikely to use it this offseason. But there is one way they could benefit from tagging either Leonard Floyd or John Johnson without impacting the salary cap at all.

In an attempt to gain some draft capital, the Rams could use a tag-and-trade, which has become a popular method among teams in recent years. Essentially, they would place the franchise tag on Johnson or Floyd, who are their two most valuable pending free agents. Then, they would enter trade discussions with other teams who might want to acquire one of them.

Considering both players are considered to be among the top players at their respective positions in free agency, they should have robust trade markets. Johnson is an elite safety, while Floyd broke out with 10.5 sacks for the Rams last season. It’s possible a team would be willing to give up a second-round pick to land Johnson or Floyd, with Floyd likely fetching even more than that.

If the Rams agreed to a trade with another team, whichever player they tag would then need to sign the tender to make the trade official. The team trading for Johnson or Floyd would take on the franchise tag amount for one year: $11.2 million for Johnson or $15.7 million for Floyd.

None of that money would go on the Rams’ cap, with all of it being the new team’s obligation. The acquiring team could also negotiate a new contract with Floyd or Johnson before July 15, essentially giving up draft capital for the right to have exclusive negotiating ability with the player.

There are plenty of examples of tag-and-trades working in a team’s favor, too.

* 2018: Dolphins trade Jarvis Landry to Browns for 4th-round and 7th-round picks
* 2019: Seahawks trade Frank Clark to Chiefs for 1st-round and 2nd-round picks, as well as 3rd-round pick swap
* 2019: Chiefs trade Dee Ford to 49ers for 2nd-round pick
* 2019: Texans trade Jadeveon Clowney to Seahawks for 3rd-round pick, Jacob Martin and Barkevious Mingo
* 2020: Jaguars trade Yannick Ngakoue to Vikings for 2nd-round and conditional 5th-round picks

There’s no example of a safety being traded after getting tagged, but the return for pass rushers has been consistent. The Rams probably wouldn’t get a haul for Floyd like Seattle got for Clark, but it’s reasonable to think they could land at least a second-round pick, if not a second and another mid-rounder.

There’s not much of a downside in this scenario for the Rams, outside of the possibility that they can’t find a trade partner for whichever player they decide to tag. In that case, they’d either be stuck paying Floyd or Johnson on the franchise tag for one year, or they could rescind the franchise tag, as the Panthers did with Josh Norman. It’s not a move that would go over well with the player, forcing him to wait a while before hitting free agency, but it is a possibility.

Given the Rams’ need for draft picks and their lack of cap space, this is certainly a move they should consider – especially with Floyd, who will be a hot commodity on the free-agent market.

 by PARAM
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Interesting approach. I think they'd have to be sure they could make a trade. One possibility is San Diego wanting Floyd.

Considering both players are considered to be among the top players at their respective positions in free agency, they should have robust trade markets. Johnson is an elite safety, while Floyd broke out with 10.5 sacks for the Rams last season. It’s possible a team would be willing to give up a second-round pick to land Johnson or Floyd, with Floyd likely fetching even more than that.


I'd take a first from San Diego for Floyd or a 2nd and a player. Maybe a good OL. :D

Is the transition tag still available?

 by JackPMiller
1 week ago
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United States of America   LA Coliseum
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PARAM wrote:Interesting approach. I think they'd have to be sure they could make a trade. One possibility is San Diego wanting Floyd.



I'd take a first from San Diego for Floyd or a 2nd and a player. Maybe a good OL. :D

Is the transition tag still available?


The Chargers have nothing on the OL that I want. I would not mind their inside linebacker Kenneth Murray, but he was their first round pick last year. I doubt they'll trade him. The best may be a 2nd & 4th round picks from them. Or a 2nd this year and a 2nd next year for Floyd.

 by AltiTude Ram
1 week ago
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United States of America   Denver
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Elvis wrote:When was the last time we saw a tag and trade?


It doesn't happen often but according to the article it happened last year with the Jags and 3 times the year before.

The problem I see is getting the player to sign the tag agreement. That has to happen before you can trade the player.

Also, it would piss off the player if they aren't kept in the loop and surprised by a sudden trade. JMO

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