by Neil039 4 years 2 months ago Total posts: 2664 Joined: Feb 02 2016 LA Coliseum Superstar Re: Would you vote Eli into the HOF? POST #11 dieterbrock, Rams the Legends live on liked this post Take out the shat show that was the Giants for the past 5-6 years and I bet fans see his career differently. I voted yes. He did thankfully beat the Patriots The truly educated can listen to any view without losing their temper or self-confidence. 2 by dieterbrock 4 years 2 months ago Total posts: 11512 Joined: Mar 31 2015 New Jersey Hall of Fame Would you vote Eli into the HOF? POST #12 Neil039 liked this post Neil039 wrote:Take out the shat show that was the Giants for the past 5-6 years and I bet fans see his career differently. I voted yes. He did thankfully beat the Patriots Eli’s last 6 seasons as starter, defense ranked from 22-30 5 times, and gave up more points than scored in 6 of last 7. The one season where the defense was #2? 11-5 record. He’ll be in 1st ballotI think the interesting debate is whether Philip Rivers gets in 1 by Elvis 4 years 2 months ago Total posts: 38463 Joined: Mar 28 2015 Los Angeles Administrator Re: Would you vote Eli into the HOF? POST #13 dieterbrock liked this post As dieter pointed out Manning didn't just win two SB's, he won 2 SB MVPs. It's not like he was Trent Dilfer out there... RFU Season Ticket Holder 1 by St. Loser Fan 4 years 2 months ago Total posts: 10511 Joined: May 31 2016 Saint Louis MO Hall of Fame Would you vote Eli into the HOF? POST #14 actionjack liked this post 1 by rams74 4 years 2 months ago Total posts: 1472 Joined: Nov 19 2015 Glendale, Arizona Pro Bowl Would you vote Eli into the HOF? POST #15 actionjack, Haden liked this post I voted yes. But I don't really care. I mean, he denied the Patriots two more titles. I'll always be grateful to him for doing what the Rams couldn't.But I don't see what Tom Flores has to do with Eli getting into the HOF. 2 by moklerman 4 years 2 months ago Total posts: 7680 Joined: Apr 17 2015 Bakersfield, CA Hall of Fame Would you vote Eli into the HOF? POST #16 TOPIC AUTHOR rams74 wrote:I voted yes. But I don't really care. I mean, he denied the Patriots two more titles. I'll always be grateful to him for doing what the Rams couldn't.But I don't see what Tom Flores has to do with Eli getting into the HOF.Flores illustrates that 2 rings doesn't equal induction. by BobCarl 4 years 2 months ago Total posts: 4296 Joined: Mar 08 2017 LA Coliseum Superstar Would you vote Eli into the HOF? POST #17 moklerman wrote:Flores and Plunkett not being in is perplexing to me. Both of them have 2 rings ...No telling what kind of billshit Al Davis pulled with the media. There was no way Stabler was going to be in while he was alive as payback for Stabler setting up a reporter by putting drugs in his car and calling the cops on him. Al Davis had as many contacts with mobsters as anybody in the NFL.Flores and Plunket will probably get in after they die ne supra crepidam sutor iudicaret by moklerman 4 years 2 months ago Total posts: 7680 Joined: Apr 17 2015 Bakersfield, CA Hall of Fame Would you vote Eli into the HOF? POST #18 TOPIC AUTHOR BobCarl liked this post BobCarl wrote:No telling what kind of billshit Al Davis pulled with the media. There was no way Stabler was going to be in while he was alive as payback for Stabler setting up a reporter by putting drugs in his car and calling the cops on him. Al Davis had as many contacts with mobsters as anybody in the NFL.Flores and Plunket will probably get in after they dieIn addition to what they did on the field, I think in today's cultural environment it's all the more surprising that these guys both haven't been recognized because of their ethnicity. While it shouldn't matter what race you are, the pioneers who had great success are usually celebrated.Plunkett was the Elway of his era and IMO, his story is remarkable. Once he finally got onto a decent/good team, he won 2 SB's. Flores was a good player and as a coach, won more SB's than John Madden. Maybe neither of them are slam-dunk, first ballot guys but both should be in already IMO. Like I said though, it's difficult to nail down what constitutes "fame". Piling up statistics and longevity have always been lesser qualifications to me. An example of which would be Frank Gore. Every year he climbs higher on the cumulative lists but I don't consider him a HOF'er at all. He'll easily get in but he isn't what I consider a HOF'er.That'd be like Vinny Testaverde getting in IMO. 1 by dieterbrock 4 years 2 months ago Total posts: 11512 Joined: Mar 31 2015 New Jersey Hall of Fame Would you vote Eli into the HOF? POST #19 Last edited by dieterbrock on Jan 25 2020, edited 1 time in total. moklerman wrote:Flores illustrates that 2 rings doesn't equal induction.Manning has 2 rings, 2 SB MVP and as you pointed out, Multiple career stats in top 10. Flores has the 2 SB, but no arguable career to go with it. Didn’t even win 100 games. His post Raiders career crushes his credibility. If Flores is in, so is George Seifert. Both guys took over top teams, won 2 SB and then were epic failure elsewhereSame could be said about Plunkett regarding lack of career stats. He couldn’t even keep the starting job after being Suprbowl MVP. by LARams_1963 4 years 2 months ago Total posts: 1191 Joined: Aug 04 2016 North Port, FL Pro Bowl Re: Would you vote Eli into the HOF? POST #20 16 yr career stats, 2 SB wins, 2 SB MVP's....no brainer. He's in. RFU Season Ticket Holder Reply 2 / 5 1 2 5 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 46 posts Apr 19 2024 FOLLOW US @RAMSFANSUNITED Who liked this post
by dieterbrock 4 years 2 months ago Total posts: 11512 Joined: Mar 31 2015 New Jersey Hall of Fame Would you vote Eli into the HOF? POST #12 Neil039 liked this post Neil039 wrote:Take out the shat show that was the Giants for the past 5-6 years and I bet fans see his career differently. I voted yes. He did thankfully beat the Patriots Eli’s last 6 seasons as starter, defense ranked from 22-30 5 times, and gave up more points than scored in 6 of last 7. The one season where the defense was #2? 11-5 record. He’ll be in 1st ballotI think the interesting debate is whether Philip Rivers gets in 1 by Elvis 4 years 2 months ago Total posts: 38463 Joined: Mar 28 2015 Los Angeles Administrator Re: Would you vote Eli into the HOF? POST #13 dieterbrock liked this post As dieter pointed out Manning didn't just win two SB's, he won 2 SB MVPs. It's not like he was Trent Dilfer out there... RFU Season Ticket Holder 1 by St. Loser Fan 4 years 2 months ago Total posts: 10511 Joined: May 31 2016 Saint Louis MO Hall of Fame Would you vote Eli into the HOF? POST #14 actionjack liked this post 1 by rams74 4 years 2 months ago Total posts: 1472 Joined: Nov 19 2015 Glendale, Arizona Pro Bowl Would you vote Eli into the HOF? POST #15 actionjack, Haden liked this post I voted yes. But I don't really care. I mean, he denied the Patriots two more titles. I'll always be grateful to him for doing what the Rams couldn't.But I don't see what Tom Flores has to do with Eli getting into the HOF. 2 by moklerman 4 years 2 months ago Total posts: 7680 Joined: Apr 17 2015 Bakersfield, CA Hall of Fame Would you vote Eli into the HOF? POST #16 TOPIC AUTHOR rams74 wrote:I voted yes. But I don't really care. I mean, he denied the Patriots two more titles. I'll always be grateful to him for doing what the Rams couldn't.But I don't see what Tom Flores has to do with Eli getting into the HOF.Flores illustrates that 2 rings doesn't equal induction. by BobCarl 4 years 2 months ago Total posts: 4296 Joined: Mar 08 2017 LA Coliseum Superstar Would you vote Eli into the HOF? POST #17 moklerman wrote:Flores and Plunkett not being in is perplexing to me. Both of them have 2 rings ...No telling what kind of billshit Al Davis pulled with the media. There was no way Stabler was going to be in while he was alive as payback for Stabler setting up a reporter by putting drugs in his car and calling the cops on him. Al Davis had as many contacts with mobsters as anybody in the NFL.Flores and Plunket will probably get in after they die ne supra crepidam sutor iudicaret by moklerman 4 years 2 months ago Total posts: 7680 Joined: Apr 17 2015 Bakersfield, CA Hall of Fame Would you vote Eli into the HOF? POST #18 TOPIC AUTHOR BobCarl liked this post BobCarl wrote:No telling what kind of billshit Al Davis pulled with the media. There was no way Stabler was going to be in while he was alive as payback for Stabler setting up a reporter by putting drugs in his car and calling the cops on him. Al Davis had as many contacts with mobsters as anybody in the NFL.Flores and Plunket will probably get in after they dieIn addition to what they did on the field, I think in today's cultural environment it's all the more surprising that these guys both haven't been recognized because of their ethnicity. While it shouldn't matter what race you are, the pioneers who had great success are usually celebrated.Plunkett was the Elway of his era and IMO, his story is remarkable. Once he finally got onto a decent/good team, he won 2 SB's. Flores was a good player and as a coach, won more SB's than John Madden. Maybe neither of them are slam-dunk, first ballot guys but both should be in already IMO. Like I said though, it's difficult to nail down what constitutes "fame". Piling up statistics and longevity have always been lesser qualifications to me. An example of which would be Frank Gore. Every year he climbs higher on the cumulative lists but I don't consider him a HOF'er at all. He'll easily get in but he isn't what I consider a HOF'er.That'd be like Vinny Testaverde getting in IMO. 1 by dieterbrock 4 years 2 months ago Total posts: 11512 Joined: Mar 31 2015 New Jersey Hall of Fame Would you vote Eli into the HOF? POST #19 Last edited by dieterbrock on Jan 25 2020, edited 1 time in total. moklerman wrote:Flores illustrates that 2 rings doesn't equal induction.Manning has 2 rings, 2 SB MVP and as you pointed out, Multiple career stats in top 10. Flores has the 2 SB, but no arguable career to go with it. Didn’t even win 100 games. His post Raiders career crushes his credibility. If Flores is in, so is George Seifert. Both guys took over top teams, won 2 SB and then were epic failure elsewhereSame could be said about Plunkett regarding lack of career stats. He couldn’t even keep the starting job after being Suprbowl MVP. by LARams_1963 4 years 2 months ago Total posts: 1191 Joined: Aug 04 2016 North Port, FL Pro Bowl Re: Would you vote Eli into the HOF? POST #20 16 yr career stats, 2 SB wins, 2 SB MVP's....no brainer. He's in. RFU Season Ticket Holder Reply 2 / 5 1 2 5 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 46 posts Apr 19 2024 FOLLOW US @RAMSFANSUNITED Who liked this post
by Elvis 4 years 2 months ago Total posts: 38463 Joined: Mar 28 2015 Los Angeles Administrator Re: Would you vote Eli into the HOF? POST #13 dieterbrock liked this post As dieter pointed out Manning didn't just win two SB's, he won 2 SB MVPs. It's not like he was Trent Dilfer out there... RFU Season Ticket Holder 1 by St. Loser Fan 4 years 2 months ago Total posts: 10511 Joined: May 31 2016 Saint Louis MO Hall of Fame Would you vote Eli into the HOF? POST #14 actionjack liked this post 1 by rams74 4 years 2 months ago Total posts: 1472 Joined: Nov 19 2015 Glendale, Arizona Pro Bowl Would you vote Eli into the HOF? POST #15 actionjack, Haden liked this post I voted yes. But I don't really care. I mean, he denied the Patriots two more titles. I'll always be grateful to him for doing what the Rams couldn't.But I don't see what Tom Flores has to do with Eli getting into the HOF. 2 by moklerman 4 years 2 months ago Total posts: 7680 Joined: Apr 17 2015 Bakersfield, CA Hall of Fame Would you vote Eli into the HOF? POST #16 TOPIC AUTHOR rams74 wrote:I voted yes. But I don't really care. I mean, he denied the Patriots two more titles. I'll always be grateful to him for doing what the Rams couldn't.But I don't see what Tom Flores has to do with Eli getting into the HOF.Flores illustrates that 2 rings doesn't equal induction. by BobCarl 4 years 2 months ago Total posts: 4296 Joined: Mar 08 2017 LA Coliseum Superstar Would you vote Eli into the HOF? POST #17 moklerman wrote:Flores and Plunkett not being in is perplexing to me. Both of them have 2 rings ...No telling what kind of billshit Al Davis pulled with the media. There was no way Stabler was going to be in while he was alive as payback for Stabler setting up a reporter by putting drugs in his car and calling the cops on him. Al Davis had as many contacts with mobsters as anybody in the NFL.Flores and Plunket will probably get in after they die ne supra crepidam sutor iudicaret by moklerman 4 years 2 months ago Total posts: 7680 Joined: Apr 17 2015 Bakersfield, CA Hall of Fame Would you vote Eli into the HOF? POST #18 TOPIC AUTHOR BobCarl liked this post BobCarl wrote:No telling what kind of billshit Al Davis pulled with the media. There was no way Stabler was going to be in while he was alive as payback for Stabler setting up a reporter by putting drugs in his car and calling the cops on him. Al Davis had as many contacts with mobsters as anybody in the NFL.Flores and Plunket will probably get in after they dieIn addition to what they did on the field, I think in today's cultural environment it's all the more surprising that these guys both haven't been recognized because of their ethnicity. While it shouldn't matter what race you are, the pioneers who had great success are usually celebrated.Plunkett was the Elway of his era and IMO, his story is remarkable. Once he finally got onto a decent/good team, he won 2 SB's. Flores was a good player and as a coach, won more SB's than John Madden. Maybe neither of them are slam-dunk, first ballot guys but both should be in already IMO. Like I said though, it's difficult to nail down what constitutes "fame". Piling up statistics and longevity have always been lesser qualifications to me. An example of which would be Frank Gore. Every year he climbs higher on the cumulative lists but I don't consider him a HOF'er at all. He'll easily get in but he isn't what I consider a HOF'er.That'd be like Vinny Testaverde getting in IMO. 1 by dieterbrock 4 years 2 months ago Total posts: 11512 Joined: Mar 31 2015 New Jersey Hall of Fame Would you vote Eli into the HOF? POST #19 Last edited by dieterbrock on Jan 25 2020, edited 1 time in total. moklerman wrote:Flores illustrates that 2 rings doesn't equal induction.Manning has 2 rings, 2 SB MVP and as you pointed out, Multiple career stats in top 10. Flores has the 2 SB, but no arguable career to go with it. Didn’t even win 100 games. His post Raiders career crushes his credibility. If Flores is in, so is George Seifert. Both guys took over top teams, won 2 SB and then were epic failure elsewhereSame could be said about Plunkett regarding lack of career stats. He couldn’t even keep the starting job after being Suprbowl MVP. by LARams_1963 4 years 2 months ago Total posts: 1191 Joined: Aug 04 2016 North Port, FL Pro Bowl Re: Would you vote Eli into the HOF? POST #20 16 yr career stats, 2 SB wins, 2 SB MVP's....no brainer. He's in. RFU Season Ticket Holder Reply 2 / 5 1 2 5 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 46 posts Apr 19 2024 FOLLOW US @RAMSFANSUNITED Who liked this post
by St. Loser Fan 4 years 2 months ago Total posts: 10511 Joined: May 31 2016 Saint Louis MO Hall of Fame Would you vote Eli into the HOF? POST #14 actionjack liked this post 1 by rams74 4 years 2 months ago Total posts: 1472 Joined: Nov 19 2015 Glendale, Arizona Pro Bowl Would you vote Eli into the HOF? POST #15 actionjack, Haden liked this post I voted yes. But I don't really care. I mean, he denied the Patriots two more titles. I'll always be grateful to him for doing what the Rams couldn't.But I don't see what Tom Flores has to do with Eli getting into the HOF. 2 by moklerman 4 years 2 months ago Total posts: 7680 Joined: Apr 17 2015 Bakersfield, CA Hall of Fame Would you vote Eli into the HOF? POST #16 TOPIC AUTHOR rams74 wrote:I voted yes. But I don't really care. I mean, he denied the Patriots two more titles. I'll always be grateful to him for doing what the Rams couldn't.But I don't see what Tom Flores has to do with Eli getting into the HOF.Flores illustrates that 2 rings doesn't equal induction. by BobCarl 4 years 2 months ago Total posts: 4296 Joined: Mar 08 2017 LA Coliseum Superstar Would you vote Eli into the HOF? POST #17 moklerman wrote:Flores and Plunkett not being in is perplexing to me. Both of them have 2 rings ...No telling what kind of billshit Al Davis pulled with the media. There was no way Stabler was going to be in while he was alive as payback for Stabler setting up a reporter by putting drugs in his car and calling the cops on him. Al Davis had as many contacts with mobsters as anybody in the NFL.Flores and Plunket will probably get in after they die ne supra crepidam sutor iudicaret by moklerman 4 years 2 months ago Total posts: 7680 Joined: Apr 17 2015 Bakersfield, CA Hall of Fame Would you vote Eli into the HOF? POST #18 TOPIC AUTHOR BobCarl liked this post BobCarl wrote:No telling what kind of billshit Al Davis pulled with the media. There was no way Stabler was going to be in while he was alive as payback for Stabler setting up a reporter by putting drugs in his car and calling the cops on him. Al Davis had as many contacts with mobsters as anybody in the NFL.Flores and Plunket will probably get in after they dieIn addition to what they did on the field, I think in today's cultural environment it's all the more surprising that these guys both haven't been recognized because of their ethnicity. While it shouldn't matter what race you are, the pioneers who had great success are usually celebrated.Plunkett was the Elway of his era and IMO, his story is remarkable. Once he finally got onto a decent/good team, he won 2 SB's. Flores was a good player and as a coach, won more SB's than John Madden. Maybe neither of them are slam-dunk, first ballot guys but both should be in already IMO. Like I said though, it's difficult to nail down what constitutes "fame". Piling up statistics and longevity have always been lesser qualifications to me. An example of which would be Frank Gore. Every year he climbs higher on the cumulative lists but I don't consider him a HOF'er at all. He'll easily get in but he isn't what I consider a HOF'er.That'd be like Vinny Testaverde getting in IMO. 1 by dieterbrock 4 years 2 months ago Total posts: 11512 Joined: Mar 31 2015 New Jersey Hall of Fame Would you vote Eli into the HOF? POST #19 Last edited by dieterbrock on Jan 25 2020, edited 1 time in total. moklerman wrote:Flores illustrates that 2 rings doesn't equal induction.Manning has 2 rings, 2 SB MVP and as you pointed out, Multiple career stats in top 10. Flores has the 2 SB, but no arguable career to go with it. Didn’t even win 100 games. His post Raiders career crushes his credibility. If Flores is in, so is George Seifert. Both guys took over top teams, won 2 SB and then were epic failure elsewhereSame could be said about Plunkett regarding lack of career stats. He couldn’t even keep the starting job after being Suprbowl MVP. by LARams_1963 4 years 2 months ago Total posts: 1191 Joined: Aug 04 2016 North Port, FL Pro Bowl Re: Would you vote Eli into the HOF? POST #20 16 yr career stats, 2 SB wins, 2 SB MVP's....no brainer. He's in. RFU Season Ticket Holder Reply 2 / 5 1 2 5 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 46 posts Apr 19 2024 FOLLOW US @RAMSFANSUNITED Who liked this post
by rams74 4 years 2 months ago Total posts: 1472 Joined: Nov 19 2015 Glendale, Arizona Pro Bowl Would you vote Eli into the HOF? POST #15 actionjack, Haden liked this post I voted yes. But I don't really care. I mean, he denied the Patriots two more titles. I'll always be grateful to him for doing what the Rams couldn't.But I don't see what Tom Flores has to do with Eli getting into the HOF. 2 by moklerman 4 years 2 months ago Total posts: 7680 Joined: Apr 17 2015 Bakersfield, CA Hall of Fame Would you vote Eli into the HOF? POST #16 TOPIC AUTHOR rams74 wrote:I voted yes. But I don't really care. I mean, he denied the Patriots two more titles. I'll always be grateful to him for doing what the Rams couldn't.But I don't see what Tom Flores has to do with Eli getting into the HOF.Flores illustrates that 2 rings doesn't equal induction. by BobCarl 4 years 2 months ago Total posts: 4296 Joined: Mar 08 2017 LA Coliseum Superstar Would you vote Eli into the HOF? POST #17 moklerman wrote:Flores and Plunkett not being in is perplexing to me. Both of them have 2 rings ...No telling what kind of billshit Al Davis pulled with the media. There was no way Stabler was going to be in while he was alive as payback for Stabler setting up a reporter by putting drugs in his car and calling the cops on him. Al Davis had as many contacts with mobsters as anybody in the NFL.Flores and Plunket will probably get in after they die ne supra crepidam sutor iudicaret by moklerman 4 years 2 months ago Total posts: 7680 Joined: Apr 17 2015 Bakersfield, CA Hall of Fame Would you vote Eli into the HOF? POST #18 TOPIC AUTHOR BobCarl liked this post BobCarl wrote:No telling what kind of billshit Al Davis pulled with the media. There was no way Stabler was going to be in while he was alive as payback for Stabler setting up a reporter by putting drugs in his car and calling the cops on him. Al Davis had as many contacts with mobsters as anybody in the NFL.Flores and Plunket will probably get in after they dieIn addition to what they did on the field, I think in today's cultural environment it's all the more surprising that these guys both haven't been recognized because of their ethnicity. While it shouldn't matter what race you are, the pioneers who had great success are usually celebrated.Plunkett was the Elway of his era and IMO, his story is remarkable. Once he finally got onto a decent/good team, he won 2 SB's. Flores was a good player and as a coach, won more SB's than John Madden. Maybe neither of them are slam-dunk, first ballot guys but both should be in already IMO. Like I said though, it's difficult to nail down what constitutes "fame". Piling up statistics and longevity have always been lesser qualifications to me. An example of which would be Frank Gore. Every year he climbs higher on the cumulative lists but I don't consider him a HOF'er at all. He'll easily get in but he isn't what I consider a HOF'er.That'd be like Vinny Testaverde getting in IMO. 1 by dieterbrock 4 years 2 months ago Total posts: 11512 Joined: Mar 31 2015 New Jersey Hall of Fame Would you vote Eli into the HOF? POST #19 Last edited by dieterbrock on Jan 25 2020, edited 1 time in total. moklerman wrote:Flores illustrates that 2 rings doesn't equal induction.Manning has 2 rings, 2 SB MVP and as you pointed out, Multiple career stats in top 10. Flores has the 2 SB, but no arguable career to go with it. Didn’t even win 100 games. His post Raiders career crushes his credibility. If Flores is in, so is George Seifert. Both guys took over top teams, won 2 SB and then were epic failure elsewhereSame could be said about Plunkett regarding lack of career stats. He couldn’t even keep the starting job after being Suprbowl MVP. by LARams_1963 4 years 2 months ago Total posts: 1191 Joined: Aug 04 2016 North Port, FL Pro Bowl Re: Would you vote Eli into the HOF? POST #20 16 yr career stats, 2 SB wins, 2 SB MVP's....no brainer. He's in. RFU Season Ticket Holder Reply 2 / 5 1 2 5 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 46 posts Apr 19 2024
by moklerman 4 years 2 months ago Total posts: 7680 Joined: Apr 17 2015 Bakersfield, CA Hall of Fame Would you vote Eli into the HOF? POST #16 TOPIC AUTHOR rams74 wrote:I voted yes. But I don't really care. I mean, he denied the Patriots two more titles. I'll always be grateful to him for doing what the Rams couldn't.But I don't see what Tom Flores has to do with Eli getting into the HOF.Flores illustrates that 2 rings doesn't equal induction. by BobCarl 4 years 2 months ago Total posts: 4296 Joined: Mar 08 2017 LA Coliseum Superstar Would you vote Eli into the HOF? POST #17 moklerman wrote:Flores and Plunkett not being in is perplexing to me. Both of them have 2 rings ...No telling what kind of billshit Al Davis pulled with the media. There was no way Stabler was going to be in while he was alive as payback for Stabler setting up a reporter by putting drugs in his car and calling the cops on him. Al Davis had as many contacts with mobsters as anybody in the NFL.Flores and Plunket will probably get in after they die ne supra crepidam sutor iudicaret by moklerman 4 years 2 months ago Total posts: 7680 Joined: Apr 17 2015 Bakersfield, CA Hall of Fame Would you vote Eli into the HOF? POST #18 TOPIC AUTHOR BobCarl liked this post BobCarl wrote:No telling what kind of billshit Al Davis pulled with the media. There was no way Stabler was going to be in while he was alive as payback for Stabler setting up a reporter by putting drugs in his car and calling the cops on him. Al Davis had as many contacts with mobsters as anybody in the NFL.Flores and Plunket will probably get in after they dieIn addition to what they did on the field, I think in today's cultural environment it's all the more surprising that these guys both haven't been recognized because of their ethnicity. While it shouldn't matter what race you are, the pioneers who had great success are usually celebrated.Plunkett was the Elway of his era and IMO, his story is remarkable. Once he finally got onto a decent/good team, he won 2 SB's. Flores was a good player and as a coach, won more SB's than John Madden. Maybe neither of them are slam-dunk, first ballot guys but both should be in already IMO. Like I said though, it's difficult to nail down what constitutes "fame". Piling up statistics and longevity have always been lesser qualifications to me. An example of which would be Frank Gore. Every year he climbs higher on the cumulative lists but I don't consider him a HOF'er at all. He'll easily get in but he isn't what I consider a HOF'er.That'd be like Vinny Testaverde getting in IMO. 1 by dieterbrock 4 years 2 months ago Total posts: 11512 Joined: Mar 31 2015 New Jersey Hall of Fame Would you vote Eli into the HOF? POST #19 Last edited by dieterbrock on Jan 25 2020, edited 1 time in total. moklerman wrote:Flores illustrates that 2 rings doesn't equal induction.Manning has 2 rings, 2 SB MVP and as you pointed out, Multiple career stats in top 10. Flores has the 2 SB, but no arguable career to go with it. Didn’t even win 100 games. His post Raiders career crushes his credibility. If Flores is in, so is George Seifert. Both guys took over top teams, won 2 SB and then were epic failure elsewhereSame could be said about Plunkett regarding lack of career stats. He couldn’t even keep the starting job after being Suprbowl MVP. by LARams_1963 4 years 2 months ago Total posts: 1191 Joined: Aug 04 2016 North Port, FL Pro Bowl Re: Would you vote Eli into the HOF? POST #20 16 yr career stats, 2 SB wins, 2 SB MVP's....no brainer. He's in. RFU Season Ticket Holder Reply 2 / 5 1 2 5 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 46 posts Apr 19 2024
by BobCarl 4 years 2 months ago Total posts: 4296 Joined: Mar 08 2017 LA Coliseum Superstar Would you vote Eli into the HOF? POST #17 moklerman wrote:Flores and Plunkett not being in is perplexing to me. Both of them have 2 rings ...No telling what kind of billshit Al Davis pulled with the media. There was no way Stabler was going to be in while he was alive as payback for Stabler setting up a reporter by putting drugs in his car and calling the cops on him. Al Davis had as many contacts with mobsters as anybody in the NFL.Flores and Plunket will probably get in after they die ne supra crepidam sutor iudicaret by moklerman 4 years 2 months ago Total posts: 7680 Joined: Apr 17 2015 Bakersfield, CA Hall of Fame Would you vote Eli into the HOF? POST #18 TOPIC AUTHOR BobCarl liked this post BobCarl wrote:No telling what kind of billshit Al Davis pulled with the media. There was no way Stabler was going to be in while he was alive as payback for Stabler setting up a reporter by putting drugs in his car and calling the cops on him. Al Davis had as many contacts with mobsters as anybody in the NFL.Flores and Plunket will probably get in after they dieIn addition to what they did on the field, I think in today's cultural environment it's all the more surprising that these guys both haven't been recognized because of their ethnicity. While it shouldn't matter what race you are, the pioneers who had great success are usually celebrated.Plunkett was the Elway of his era and IMO, his story is remarkable. Once he finally got onto a decent/good team, he won 2 SB's. Flores was a good player and as a coach, won more SB's than John Madden. Maybe neither of them are slam-dunk, first ballot guys but both should be in already IMO. Like I said though, it's difficult to nail down what constitutes "fame". Piling up statistics and longevity have always been lesser qualifications to me. An example of which would be Frank Gore. Every year he climbs higher on the cumulative lists but I don't consider him a HOF'er at all. He'll easily get in but he isn't what I consider a HOF'er.That'd be like Vinny Testaverde getting in IMO. 1 by dieterbrock 4 years 2 months ago Total posts: 11512 Joined: Mar 31 2015 New Jersey Hall of Fame Would you vote Eli into the HOF? POST #19 Last edited by dieterbrock on Jan 25 2020, edited 1 time in total. moklerman wrote:Flores illustrates that 2 rings doesn't equal induction.Manning has 2 rings, 2 SB MVP and as you pointed out, Multiple career stats in top 10. Flores has the 2 SB, but no arguable career to go with it. Didn’t even win 100 games. His post Raiders career crushes his credibility. If Flores is in, so is George Seifert. Both guys took over top teams, won 2 SB and then were epic failure elsewhereSame could be said about Plunkett regarding lack of career stats. He couldn’t even keep the starting job after being Suprbowl MVP. by LARams_1963 4 years 2 months ago Total posts: 1191 Joined: Aug 04 2016 North Port, FL Pro Bowl Re: Would you vote Eli into the HOF? POST #20 16 yr career stats, 2 SB wins, 2 SB MVP's....no brainer. He's in. RFU Season Ticket Holder Reply 2 / 5 1 2 5 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 46 posts Apr 19 2024
by moklerman 4 years 2 months ago Total posts: 7680 Joined: Apr 17 2015 Bakersfield, CA Hall of Fame Would you vote Eli into the HOF? POST #18 TOPIC AUTHOR BobCarl liked this post BobCarl wrote:No telling what kind of billshit Al Davis pulled with the media. There was no way Stabler was going to be in while he was alive as payback for Stabler setting up a reporter by putting drugs in his car and calling the cops on him. Al Davis had as many contacts with mobsters as anybody in the NFL.Flores and Plunket will probably get in after they dieIn addition to what they did on the field, I think in today's cultural environment it's all the more surprising that these guys both haven't been recognized because of their ethnicity. While it shouldn't matter what race you are, the pioneers who had great success are usually celebrated.Plunkett was the Elway of his era and IMO, his story is remarkable. Once he finally got onto a decent/good team, he won 2 SB's. Flores was a good player and as a coach, won more SB's than John Madden. Maybe neither of them are slam-dunk, first ballot guys but both should be in already IMO. Like I said though, it's difficult to nail down what constitutes "fame". Piling up statistics and longevity have always been lesser qualifications to me. An example of which would be Frank Gore. Every year he climbs higher on the cumulative lists but I don't consider him a HOF'er at all. He'll easily get in but he isn't what I consider a HOF'er.That'd be like Vinny Testaverde getting in IMO. 1 by dieterbrock 4 years 2 months ago Total posts: 11512 Joined: Mar 31 2015 New Jersey Hall of Fame Would you vote Eli into the HOF? POST #19 Last edited by dieterbrock on Jan 25 2020, edited 1 time in total. moklerman wrote:Flores illustrates that 2 rings doesn't equal induction.Manning has 2 rings, 2 SB MVP and as you pointed out, Multiple career stats in top 10. Flores has the 2 SB, but no arguable career to go with it. Didn’t even win 100 games. His post Raiders career crushes his credibility. If Flores is in, so is George Seifert. Both guys took over top teams, won 2 SB and then were epic failure elsewhereSame could be said about Plunkett regarding lack of career stats. He couldn’t even keep the starting job after being Suprbowl MVP. by LARams_1963 4 years 2 months ago Total posts: 1191 Joined: Aug 04 2016 North Port, FL Pro Bowl Re: Would you vote Eli into the HOF? POST #20 16 yr career stats, 2 SB wins, 2 SB MVP's....no brainer. He's in. RFU Season Ticket Holder Reply 2 / 5 1 2 5 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 46 posts Apr 19 2024
by dieterbrock 4 years 2 months ago Total posts: 11512 Joined: Mar 31 2015 New Jersey Hall of Fame Would you vote Eli into the HOF? POST #19 Last edited by dieterbrock on Jan 25 2020, edited 1 time in total. moklerman wrote:Flores illustrates that 2 rings doesn't equal induction.Manning has 2 rings, 2 SB MVP and as you pointed out, Multiple career stats in top 10. Flores has the 2 SB, but no arguable career to go with it. Didn’t even win 100 games. His post Raiders career crushes his credibility. If Flores is in, so is George Seifert. Both guys took over top teams, won 2 SB and then were epic failure elsewhereSame could be said about Plunkett regarding lack of career stats. He couldn’t even keep the starting job after being Suprbowl MVP. by LARams_1963 4 years 2 months ago Total posts: 1191 Joined: Aug 04 2016 North Port, FL Pro Bowl Re: Would you vote Eli into the HOF? POST #20 16 yr career stats, 2 SB wins, 2 SB MVP's....no brainer. He's in. RFU Season Ticket Holder Reply 2 / 5 1 2 5 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 46 posts Apr 19 2024
by LARams_1963 4 years 2 months ago Total posts: 1191 Joined: Aug 04 2016 North Port, FL Pro Bowl Re: Would you vote Eli into the HOF? POST #20 16 yr career stats, 2 SB wins, 2 SB MVP's....no brainer. He's in. RFU Season Ticket Holder Reply 2 / 5 1 2 5 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business