by AvengerRam 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 8686 Joined: Oct 03 2017 Lake Mary, Florida Hall of Fame pff offensive line grades - rams POST #21 Elvis wrote:2 years ago max wanted Snead fired for not drafting Forrest Lamp... by Hacksaw_64 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 2686 Joined: Sep 08 2015 Inglewood, CA Moderator pff offensive line grades - rams POST #22 Elvis liked this post AvengerRam wrote:First of all, as has been noted before, PFF’s OL rankings are subjective, and hardly gospel.Second, it’s WAAAAAAAAAY to early to draw conclusions.exactlypff doesn't know the exact blocking assignments for the Rams playbook or what is audibled...they are guessingI'm quite certain the Rams grades are rather different most of the time than the PFF gradesGoff is getting too much pressure. Teams don't have to worry about Gurley as much and the play action is a little harder to set up 1 by max 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 5580 Joined: Jun 01 2015 Sarasota, FL Hall of Fame pff offensive line grades - rams POST #23 aeneas1 wrote:whew, for a moment there i thought you were going to say "i'm going to blame some of the people in this room; and then I do not forgive."That aside, I will not be the one to break the piece... ~ max ~“The consciousness of good intentions disdains ambiguity.” - Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers by max 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 5580 Joined: Jun 01 2015 Sarasota, FL Hall of Fame pff offensive line grades - rams POST #24 Dick84 wrote:Never got a response on this, Max?More so in the first game. ~ max ~“The consciousness of good intentions disdains ambiguity.” - Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers by dieterbrock 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 11512 Joined: Mar 31 2015 New Jersey Hall of Fame Re: pff offensive line grades - rams POST #25 So let me get this straight, the Rams 1st rounders 2016-2018 were spent on obtaining Jared Goff and Brandin Cooks. Max, are you actually suggesting that they should have invested in o-line with those picks instead? The Rams were in the Super Bowl last year largely due to the efforts of those two if I remember correctlyTalk about what have you done for me lately.... by AvengerRam 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 8686 Joined: Oct 03 2017 Lake Mary, Florida Hall of Fame pff offensive line grades - rams POST #26 When the Rams won the Super Bowl in 1999, they had an OL consisting of a 1st round pick (Pace), a 5th (Miller), two 7ths (Timmerman, Nutten), and a UFA (Gruttadauria).Just sayin’ by /zn/ 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 6763 Joined: Jun 28 2015 Maine Hall of Fame pff offensive line grades - rams POST #27 AvengerRam wrote:When the Rams won the Super Bowl in 1999, they had an OL consisting of a 1st round pick (Pace), a 5th (Miller), two 7ths (Timmerman, Nutten), and a UFA (Gruttadauria).Just sayin’Another way to look at OL acquisitions is how your team got them, not where they were picked originally. Just putting things in black and white here. Timmerman was an already successful superbowl guard with GB and when they signed him, he was one of the highest paid FAs at the time. Pace is obvious; Miller as you said was a Rams 5th rounder (and recent too--96). Nutten may have been a 7th originally but he had been cut and in fact had a stint in the CFL then Europe. He's a classic castoff. So was Gruttadauria (he was originally signed as a UDFA by Dallas and then...cast off). To mold that 99 OL they let a 1st and 2nd round pick walk (Gandy and Wiegert.) So the 99 OL not only includes 2 cast-offs...in effect they "traded" out 1st and 2nd round picks for those 2 cast offs. Cause good OL coaches know how to take guys who maybe didn't make it as rookies but who have potential and develop them further if they're fits. Cast-offs are always a regular part of good OL building (as I said just putting it all down in black and white). by max 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 5580 Joined: Jun 01 2015 Sarasota, FL Hall of Fame pff offensive line grades - rams POST #28 dieterbrock wrote:So let me get this straight, the Rams 1st rounders 2016-2018 were spent on obtaining Jared Goff and Brandin Cooks. Max, are you actually suggesting that they should have invested in o-line with those picks instead? The Rams were in the Super Bowl last year largely due to the efforts of those two if I remember correctlyTalk about what have you done for me lately....My thinking is more along the lines of using the draft capital we spent on Henderson, Long, and Evans, and spend it instead somehow on a talented OG in the 2nd round or in a trade. I think Noteboom is not an OG, he’s a pure OT. I think we don’t have an inside running game because we don’t have strong interior run blockers. As a result, defenses aren’t respecting our play action passing game the way they did when we had Saffold. ~ max ~“The consciousness of good intentions disdains ambiguity.” - Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers by /zn/ 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 6763 Joined: Jun 28 2015 Maine Hall of Fame pff offensive line grades - rams POST #29 max wrote:My thinking is more along the lines of using the draft capital we spent on Henderson, Long, and Evans, and spend it instead somehow on a talented OG in the 2nd round or in a trade. I think Noteboom is not an OG, he’s a pure OT. I think we don’t have an inside running game because we don’t have strong interior run blockers. As a result, defenses aren’t respecting our play action passing game the way they did when we had Saffold.Noteboom is physically not that different from Saffold, who also played OT. And in fact to mention Kromer again, he has a long history of playing tackles at guard. As for the interior OL as of right now Football Outsiders ranks them 4th in terms of running yards up the middle (center/guard). They're also 13th in % of runs stuffed. Allen is just an advantage over Sullivan when it comes to being a physical blocker.Don't get me wrong, having questions and issues about this is fair. I just happen to see it in a different light than you. Until this OL is well established late in the season though, questions about them are valid. I am just less worried than you.If DLs are assaulting them in the meanwhile they just have to do what everyone does. Call plays that get the ball out quicker. by snackdaddy 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 9657 Joined: May 30 2015 Merced California Hall of Fame pff offensive line grades - rams POST #30 max wrote:It’s not too early to say Goff is getting hit too much. We play in Cleveland next Sunday. They have Myles Garrett. If he hurts Goff, I will be very upset. And I’m gonna blame some of the people responsible for our OL.Goff has never been injured at any level he's played. Some guys just have a knack for absorbing hits without serious injury. People used to say Russell Wilson will never last running around like that. 114 consecutive games later they don't say that anymore. Reply 3 / 4 1 3 4 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 32 posts Apr 19 2024 FOLLOW US @RAMSFANSUNITED Who liked this post
by Hacksaw_64 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 2686 Joined: Sep 08 2015 Inglewood, CA Moderator pff offensive line grades - rams POST #22 Elvis liked this post AvengerRam wrote:First of all, as has been noted before, PFF’s OL rankings are subjective, and hardly gospel.Second, it’s WAAAAAAAAAY to early to draw conclusions.exactlypff doesn't know the exact blocking assignments for the Rams playbook or what is audibled...they are guessingI'm quite certain the Rams grades are rather different most of the time than the PFF gradesGoff is getting too much pressure. Teams don't have to worry about Gurley as much and the play action is a little harder to set up 1 by max 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 5580 Joined: Jun 01 2015 Sarasota, FL Hall of Fame pff offensive line grades - rams POST #23 aeneas1 wrote:whew, for a moment there i thought you were going to say "i'm going to blame some of the people in this room; and then I do not forgive."That aside, I will not be the one to break the piece... ~ max ~“The consciousness of good intentions disdains ambiguity.” - Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers by max 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 5580 Joined: Jun 01 2015 Sarasota, FL Hall of Fame pff offensive line grades - rams POST #24 Dick84 wrote:Never got a response on this, Max?More so in the first game. ~ max ~“The consciousness of good intentions disdains ambiguity.” - Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers by dieterbrock 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 11512 Joined: Mar 31 2015 New Jersey Hall of Fame Re: pff offensive line grades - rams POST #25 So let me get this straight, the Rams 1st rounders 2016-2018 were spent on obtaining Jared Goff and Brandin Cooks. Max, are you actually suggesting that they should have invested in o-line with those picks instead? The Rams were in the Super Bowl last year largely due to the efforts of those two if I remember correctlyTalk about what have you done for me lately.... by AvengerRam 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 8686 Joined: Oct 03 2017 Lake Mary, Florida Hall of Fame pff offensive line grades - rams POST #26 When the Rams won the Super Bowl in 1999, they had an OL consisting of a 1st round pick (Pace), a 5th (Miller), two 7ths (Timmerman, Nutten), and a UFA (Gruttadauria).Just sayin’ by /zn/ 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 6763 Joined: Jun 28 2015 Maine Hall of Fame pff offensive line grades - rams POST #27 AvengerRam wrote:When the Rams won the Super Bowl in 1999, they had an OL consisting of a 1st round pick (Pace), a 5th (Miller), two 7ths (Timmerman, Nutten), and a UFA (Gruttadauria).Just sayin’Another way to look at OL acquisitions is how your team got them, not where they were picked originally. Just putting things in black and white here. Timmerman was an already successful superbowl guard with GB and when they signed him, he was one of the highest paid FAs at the time. Pace is obvious; Miller as you said was a Rams 5th rounder (and recent too--96). Nutten may have been a 7th originally but he had been cut and in fact had a stint in the CFL then Europe. He's a classic castoff. So was Gruttadauria (he was originally signed as a UDFA by Dallas and then...cast off). To mold that 99 OL they let a 1st and 2nd round pick walk (Gandy and Wiegert.) So the 99 OL not only includes 2 cast-offs...in effect they "traded" out 1st and 2nd round picks for those 2 cast offs. Cause good OL coaches know how to take guys who maybe didn't make it as rookies but who have potential and develop them further if they're fits. Cast-offs are always a regular part of good OL building (as I said just putting it all down in black and white). by max 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 5580 Joined: Jun 01 2015 Sarasota, FL Hall of Fame pff offensive line grades - rams POST #28 dieterbrock wrote:So let me get this straight, the Rams 1st rounders 2016-2018 were spent on obtaining Jared Goff and Brandin Cooks. Max, are you actually suggesting that they should have invested in o-line with those picks instead? The Rams were in the Super Bowl last year largely due to the efforts of those two if I remember correctlyTalk about what have you done for me lately....My thinking is more along the lines of using the draft capital we spent on Henderson, Long, and Evans, and spend it instead somehow on a talented OG in the 2nd round or in a trade. I think Noteboom is not an OG, he’s a pure OT. I think we don’t have an inside running game because we don’t have strong interior run blockers. As a result, defenses aren’t respecting our play action passing game the way they did when we had Saffold. ~ max ~“The consciousness of good intentions disdains ambiguity.” - Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers by /zn/ 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 6763 Joined: Jun 28 2015 Maine Hall of Fame pff offensive line grades - rams POST #29 max wrote:My thinking is more along the lines of using the draft capital we spent on Henderson, Long, and Evans, and spend it instead somehow on a talented OG in the 2nd round or in a trade. I think Noteboom is not an OG, he’s a pure OT. I think we don’t have an inside running game because we don’t have strong interior run blockers. As a result, defenses aren’t respecting our play action passing game the way they did when we had Saffold.Noteboom is physically not that different from Saffold, who also played OT. And in fact to mention Kromer again, he has a long history of playing tackles at guard. As for the interior OL as of right now Football Outsiders ranks them 4th in terms of running yards up the middle (center/guard). They're also 13th in % of runs stuffed. Allen is just an advantage over Sullivan when it comes to being a physical blocker.Don't get me wrong, having questions and issues about this is fair. I just happen to see it in a different light than you. Until this OL is well established late in the season though, questions about them are valid. I am just less worried than you.If DLs are assaulting them in the meanwhile they just have to do what everyone does. Call plays that get the ball out quicker. by snackdaddy 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 9657 Joined: May 30 2015 Merced California Hall of Fame pff offensive line grades - rams POST #30 max wrote:It’s not too early to say Goff is getting hit too much. We play in Cleveland next Sunday. They have Myles Garrett. If he hurts Goff, I will be very upset. And I’m gonna blame some of the people responsible for our OL.Goff has never been injured at any level he's played. Some guys just have a knack for absorbing hits without serious injury. People used to say Russell Wilson will never last running around like that. 114 consecutive games later they don't say that anymore. Reply 3 / 4 1 3 4 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 32 posts Apr 19 2024 FOLLOW US @RAMSFANSUNITED Who liked this post
by max 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 5580 Joined: Jun 01 2015 Sarasota, FL Hall of Fame pff offensive line grades - rams POST #23 aeneas1 wrote:whew, for a moment there i thought you were going to say "i'm going to blame some of the people in this room; and then I do not forgive."That aside, I will not be the one to break the piece... ~ max ~“The consciousness of good intentions disdains ambiguity.” - Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers by max 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 5580 Joined: Jun 01 2015 Sarasota, FL Hall of Fame pff offensive line grades - rams POST #24 Dick84 wrote:Never got a response on this, Max?More so in the first game. ~ max ~“The consciousness of good intentions disdains ambiguity.” - Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers by dieterbrock 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 11512 Joined: Mar 31 2015 New Jersey Hall of Fame Re: pff offensive line grades - rams POST #25 So let me get this straight, the Rams 1st rounders 2016-2018 were spent on obtaining Jared Goff and Brandin Cooks. Max, are you actually suggesting that they should have invested in o-line with those picks instead? The Rams were in the Super Bowl last year largely due to the efforts of those two if I remember correctlyTalk about what have you done for me lately.... by AvengerRam 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 8686 Joined: Oct 03 2017 Lake Mary, Florida Hall of Fame pff offensive line grades - rams POST #26 When the Rams won the Super Bowl in 1999, they had an OL consisting of a 1st round pick (Pace), a 5th (Miller), two 7ths (Timmerman, Nutten), and a UFA (Gruttadauria).Just sayin’ by /zn/ 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 6763 Joined: Jun 28 2015 Maine Hall of Fame pff offensive line grades - rams POST #27 AvengerRam wrote:When the Rams won the Super Bowl in 1999, they had an OL consisting of a 1st round pick (Pace), a 5th (Miller), two 7ths (Timmerman, Nutten), and a UFA (Gruttadauria).Just sayin’Another way to look at OL acquisitions is how your team got them, not where they were picked originally. Just putting things in black and white here. Timmerman was an already successful superbowl guard with GB and when they signed him, he was one of the highest paid FAs at the time. Pace is obvious; Miller as you said was a Rams 5th rounder (and recent too--96). Nutten may have been a 7th originally but he had been cut and in fact had a stint in the CFL then Europe. He's a classic castoff. So was Gruttadauria (he was originally signed as a UDFA by Dallas and then...cast off). To mold that 99 OL they let a 1st and 2nd round pick walk (Gandy and Wiegert.) So the 99 OL not only includes 2 cast-offs...in effect they "traded" out 1st and 2nd round picks for those 2 cast offs. Cause good OL coaches know how to take guys who maybe didn't make it as rookies but who have potential and develop them further if they're fits. Cast-offs are always a regular part of good OL building (as I said just putting it all down in black and white). by max 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 5580 Joined: Jun 01 2015 Sarasota, FL Hall of Fame pff offensive line grades - rams POST #28 dieterbrock wrote:So let me get this straight, the Rams 1st rounders 2016-2018 were spent on obtaining Jared Goff and Brandin Cooks. Max, are you actually suggesting that they should have invested in o-line with those picks instead? The Rams were in the Super Bowl last year largely due to the efforts of those two if I remember correctlyTalk about what have you done for me lately....My thinking is more along the lines of using the draft capital we spent on Henderson, Long, and Evans, and spend it instead somehow on a talented OG in the 2nd round or in a trade. I think Noteboom is not an OG, he’s a pure OT. I think we don’t have an inside running game because we don’t have strong interior run blockers. As a result, defenses aren’t respecting our play action passing game the way they did when we had Saffold. ~ max ~“The consciousness of good intentions disdains ambiguity.” - Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers by /zn/ 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 6763 Joined: Jun 28 2015 Maine Hall of Fame pff offensive line grades - rams POST #29 max wrote:My thinking is more along the lines of using the draft capital we spent on Henderson, Long, and Evans, and spend it instead somehow on a talented OG in the 2nd round or in a trade. I think Noteboom is not an OG, he’s a pure OT. I think we don’t have an inside running game because we don’t have strong interior run blockers. As a result, defenses aren’t respecting our play action passing game the way they did when we had Saffold.Noteboom is physically not that different from Saffold, who also played OT. And in fact to mention Kromer again, he has a long history of playing tackles at guard. As for the interior OL as of right now Football Outsiders ranks them 4th in terms of running yards up the middle (center/guard). They're also 13th in % of runs stuffed. Allen is just an advantage over Sullivan when it comes to being a physical blocker.Don't get me wrong, having questions and issues about this is fair. I just happen to see it in a different light than you. Until this OL is well established late in the season though, questions about them are valid. I am just less worried than you.If DLs are assaulting them in the meanwhile they just have to do what everyone does. Call plays that get the ball out quicker. by snackdaddy 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 9657 Joined: May 30 2015 Merced California Hall of Fame pff offensive line grades - rams POST #30 max wrote:It’s not too early to say Goff is getting hit too much. We play in Cleveland next Sunday. They have Myles Garrett. If he hurts Goff, I will be very upset. And I’m gonna blame some of the people responsible for our OL.Goff has never been injured at any level he's played. Some guys just have a knack for absorbing hits without serious injury. People used to say Russell Wilson will never last running around like that. 114 consecutive games later they don't say that anymore. Reply 3 / 4 1 3 4 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 32 posts Apr 19 2024 FOLLOW US @RAMSFANSUNITED Who liked this post
by max 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 5580 Joined: Jun 01 2015 Sarasota, FL Hall of Fame pff offensive line grades - rams POST #24 Dick84 wrote:Never got a response on this, Max?More so in the first game. ~ max ~“The consciousness of good intentions disdains ambiguity.” - Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers by dieterbrock 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 11512 Joined: Mar 31 2015 New Jersey Hall of Fame Re: pff offensive line grades - rams POST #25 So let me get this straight, the Rams 1st rounders 2016-2018 were spent on obtaining Jared Goff and Brandin Cooks. Max, are you actually suggesting that they should have invested in o-line with those picks instead? The Rams were in the Super Bowl last year largely due to the efforts of those two if I remember correctlyTalk about what have you done for me lately.... by AvengerRam 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 8686 Joined: Oct 03 2017 Lake Mary, Florida Hall of Fame pff offensive line grades - rams POST #26 When the Rams won the Super Bowl in 1999, they had an OL consisting of a 1st round pick (Pace), a 5th (Miller), two 7ths (Timmerman, Nutten), and a UFA (Gruttadauria).Just sayin’ by /zn/ 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 6763 Joined: Jun 28 2015 Maine Hall of Fame pff offensive line grades - rams POST #27 AvengerRam wrote:When the Rams won the Super Bowl in 1999, they had an OL consisting of a 1st round pick (Pace), a 5th (Miller), two 7ths (Timmerman, Nutten), and a UFA (Gruttadauria).Just sayin’Another way to look at OL acquisitions is how your team got them, not where they were picked originally. Just putting things in black and white here. Timmerman was an already successful superbowl guard with GB and when they signed him, he was one of the highest paid FAs at the time. Pace is obvious; Miller as you said was a Rams 5th rounder (and recent too--96). Nutten may have been a 7th originally but he had been cut and in fact had a stint in the CFL then Europe. He's a classic castoff. So was Gruttadauria (he was originally signed as a UDFA by Dallas and then...cast off). To mold that 99 OL they let a 1st and 2nd round pick walk (Gandy and Wiegert.) So the 99 OL not only includes 2 cast-offs...in effect they "traded" out 1st and 2nd round picks for those 2 cast offs. Cause good OL coaches know how to take guys who maybe didn't make it as rookies but who have potential and develop them further if they're fits. Cast-offs are always a regular part of good OL building (as I said just putting it all down in black and white). by max 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 5580 Joined: Jun 01 2015 Sarasota, FL Hall of Fame pff offensive line grades - rams POST #28 dieterbrock wrote:So let me get this straight, the Rams 1st rounders 2016-2018 were spent on obtaining Jared Goff and Brandin Cooks. Max, are you actually suggesting that they should have invested in o-line with those picks instead? The Rams were in the Super Bowl last year largely due to the efforts of those two if I remember correctlyTalk about what have you done for me lately....My thinking is more along the lines of using the draft capital we spent on Henderson, Long, and Evans, and spend it instead somehow on a talented OG in the 2nd round or in a trade. I think Noteboom is not an OG, he’s a pure OT. I think we don’t have an inside running game because we don’t have strong interior run blockers. As a result, defenses aren’t respecting our play action passing game the way they did when we had Saffold. ~ max ~“The consciousness of good intentions disdains ambiguity.” - Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers by /zn/ 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 6763 Joined: Jun 28 2015 Maine Hall of Fame pff offensive line grades - rams POST #29 max wrote:My thinking is more along the lines of using the draft capital we spent on Henderson, Long, and Evans, and spend it instead somehow on a talented OG in the 2nd round or in a trade. I think Noteboom is not an OG, he’s a pure OT. I think we don’t have an inside running game because we don’t have strong interior run blockers. As a result, defenses aren’t respecting our play action passing game the way they did when we had Saffold.Noteboom is physically not that different from Saffold, who also played OT. And in fact to mention Kromer again, he has a long history of playing tackles at guard. As for the interior OL as of right now Football Outsiders ranks them 4th in terms of running yards up the middle (center/guard). They're also 13th in % of runs stuffed. Allen is just an advantage over Sullivan when it comes to being a physical blocker.Don't get me wrong, having questions and issues about this is fair. I just happen to see it in a different light than you. Until this OL is well established late in the season though, questions about them are valid. I am just less worried than you.If DLs are assaulting them in the meanwhile they just have to do what everyone does. Call plays that get the ball out quicker. by snackdaddy 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 9657 Joined: May 30 2015 Merced California Hall of Fame pff offensive line grades - rams POST #30 max wrote:It’s not too early to say Goff is getting hit too much. We play in Cleveland next Sunday. They have Myles Garrett. If he hurts Goff, I will be very upset. And I’m gonna blame some of the people responsible for our OL.Goff has never been injured at any level he's played. Some guys just have a knack for absorbing hits without serious injury. People used to say Russell Wilson will never last running around like that. 114 consecutive games later they don't say that anymore. Reply 3 / 4 1 3 4 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 32 posts Apr 19 2024 FOLLOW US @RAMSFANSUNITED Who liked this post
by dieterbrock 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 11512 Joined: Mar 31 2015 New Jersey Hall of Fame Re: pff offensive line grades - rams POST #25 So let me get this straight, the Rams 1st rounders 2016-2018 were spent on obtaining Jared Goff and Brandin Cooks. Max, are you actually suggesting that they should have invested in o-line with those picks instead? The Rams were in the Super Bowl last year largely due to the efforts of those two if I remember correctlyTalk about what have you done for me lately.... by AvengerRam 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 8686 Joined: Oct 03 2017 Lake Mary, Florida Hall of Fame pff offensive line grades - rams POST #26 When the Rams won the Super Bowl in 1999, they had an OL consisting of a 1st round pick (Pace), a 5th (Miller), two 7ths (Timmerman, Nutten), and a UFA (Gruttadauria).Just sayin’ by /zn/ 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 6763 Joined: Jun 28 2015 Maine Hall of Fame pff offensive line grades - rams POST #27 AvengerRam wrote:When the Rams won the Super Bowl in 1999, they had an OL consisting of a 1st round pick (Pace), a 5th (Miller), two 7ths (Timmerman, Nutten), and a UFA (Gruttadauria).Just sayin’Another way to look at OL acquisitions is how your team got them, not where they were picked originally. Just putting things in black and white here. Timmerman was an already successful superbowl guard with GB and when they signed him, he was one of the highest paid FAs at the time. Pace is obvious; Miller as you said was a Rams 5th rounder (and recent too--96). Nutten may have been a 7th originally but he had been cut and in fact had a stint in the CFL then Europe. He's a classic castoff. So was Gruttadauria (he was originally signed as a UDFA by Dallas and then...cast off). To mold that 99 OL they let a 1st and 2nd round pick walk (Gandy and Wiegert.) So the 99 OL not only includes 2 cast-offs...in effect they "traded" out 1st and 2nd round picks for those 2 cast offs. Cause good OL coaches know how to take guys who maybe didn't make it as rookies but who have potential and develop them further if they're fits. Cast-offs are always a regular part of good OL building (as I said just putting it all down in black and white). by max 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 5580 Joined: Jun 01 2015 Sarasota, FL Hall of Fame pff offensive line grades - rams POST #28 dieterbrock wrote:So let me get this straight, the Rams 1st rounders 2016-2018 were spent on obtaining Jared Goff and Brandin Cooks. Max, are you actually suggesting that they should have invested in o-line with those picks instead? The Rams were in the Super Bowl last year largely due to the efforts of those two if I remember correctlyTalk about what have you done for me lately....My thinking is more along the lines of using the draft capital we spent on Henderson, Long, and Evans, and spend it instead somehow on a talented OG in the 2nd round or in a trade. I think Noteboom is not an OG, he’s a pure OT. I think we don’t have an inside running game because we don’t have strong interior run blockers. As a result, defenses aren’t respecting our play action passing game the way they did when we had Saffold. ~ max ~“The consciousness of good intentions disdains ambiguity.” - Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers by /zn/ 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 6763 Joined: Jun 28 2015 Maine Hall of Fame pff offensive line grades - rams POST #29 max wrote:My thinking is more along the lines of using the draft capital we spent on Henderson, Long, and Evans, and spend it instead somehow on a talented OG in the 2nd round or in a trade. I think Noteboom is not an OG, he’s a pure OT. I think we don’t have an inside running game because we don’t have strong interior run blockers. As a result, defenses aren’t respecting our play action passing game the way they did when we had Saffold.Noteboom is physically not that different from Saffold, who also played OT. And in fact to mention Kromer again, he has a long history of playing tackles at guard. As for the interior OL as of right now Football Outsiders ranks them 4th in terms of running yards up the middle (center/guard). They're also 13th in % of runs stuffed. Allen is just an advantage over Sullivan when it comes to being a physical blocker.Don't get me wrong, having questions and issues about this is fair. I just happen to see it in a different light than you. Until this OL is well established late in the season though, questions about them are valid. I am just less worried than you.If DLs are assaulting them in the meanwhile they just have to do what everyone does. Call plays that get the ball out quicker. by snackdaddy 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 9657 Joined: May 30 2015 Merced California Hall of Fame pff offensive line grades - rams POST #30 max wrote:It’s not too early to say Goff is getting hit too much. We play in Cleveland next Sunday. They have Myles Garrett. If he hurts Goff, I will be very upset. And I’m gonna blame some of the people responsible for our OL.Goff has never been injured at any level he's played. Some guys just have a knack for absorbing hits without serious injury. People used to say Russell Wilson will never last running around like that. 114 consecutive games later they don't say that anymore. Reply 3 / 4 1 3 4 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 32 posts Apr 19 2024
by AvengerRam 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 8686 Joined: Oct 03 2017 Lake Mary, Florida Hall of Fame pff offensive line grades - rams POST #26 When the Rams won the Super Bowl in 1999, they had an OL consisting of a 1st round pick (Pace), a 5th (Miller), two 7ths (Timmerman, Nutten), and a UFA (Gruttadauria).Just sayin’ by /zn/ 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 6763 Joined: Jun 28 2015 Maine Hall of Fame pff offensive line grades - rams POST #27 AvengerRam wrote:When the Rams won the Super Bowl in 1999, they had an OL consisting of a 1st round pick (Pace), a 5th (Miller), two 7ths (Timmerman, Nutten), and a UFA (Gruttadauria).Just sayin’Another way to look at OL acquisitions is how your team got them, not where they were picked originally. Just putting things in black and white here. Timmerman was an already successful superbowl guard with GB and when they signed him, he was one of the highest paid FAs at the time. Pace is obvious; Miller as you said was a Rams 5th rounder (and recent too--96). Nutten may have been a 7th originally but he had been cut and in fact had a stint in the CFL then Europe. He's a classic castoff. So was Gruttadauria (he was originally signed as a UDFA by Dallas and then...cast off). To mold that 99 OL they let a 1st and 2nd round pick walk (Gandy and Wiegert.) So the 99 OL not only includes 2 cast-offs...in effect they "traded" out 1st and 2nd round picks for those 2 cast offs. Cause good OL coaches know how to take guys who maybe didn't make it as rookies but who have potential and develop them further if they're fits. Cast-offs are always a regular part of good OL building (as I said just putting it all down in black and white). by max 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 5580 Joined: Jun 01 2015 Sarasota, FL Hall of Fame pff offensive line grades - rams POST #28 dieterbrock wrote:So let me get this straight, the Rams 1st rounders 2016-2018 were spent on obtaining Jared Goff and Brandin Cooks. Max, are you actually suggesting that they should have invested in o-line with those picks instead? The Rams were in the Super Bowl last year largely due to the efforts of those two if I remember correctlyTalk about what have you done for me lately....My thinking is more along the lines of using the draft capital we spent on Henderson, Long, and Evans, and spend it instead somehow on a talented OG in the 2nd round or in a trade. I think Noteboom is not an OG, he’s a pure OT. I think we don’t have an inside running game because we don’t have strong interior run blockers. As a result, defenses aren’t respecting our play action passing game the way they did when we had Saffold. ~ max ~“The consciousness of good intentions disdains ambiguity.” - Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers by /zn/ 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 6763 Joined: Jun 28 2015 Maine Hall of Fame pff offensive line grades - rams POST #29 max wrote:My thinking is more along the lines of using the draft capital we spent on Henderson, Long, and Evans, and spend it instead somehow on a talented OG in the 2nd round or in a trade. I think Noteboom is not an OG, he’s a pure OT. I think we don’t have an inside running game because we don’t have strong interior run blockers. As a result, defenses aren’t respecting our play action passing game the way they did when we had Saffold.Noteboom is physically not that different from Saffold, who also played OT. And in fact to mention Kromer again, he has a long history of playing tackles at guard. As for the interior OL as of right now Football Outsiders ranks them 4th in terms of running yards up the middle (center/guard). They're also 13th in % of runs stuffed. Allen is just an advantage over Sullivan when it comes to being a physical blocker.Don't get me wrong, having questions and issues about this is fair. I just happen to see it in a different light than you. Until this OL is well established late in the season though, questions about them are valid. I am just less worried than you.If DLs are assaulting them in the meanwhile they just have to do what everyone does. Call plays that get the ball out quicker. by snackdaddy 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 9657 Joined: May 30 2015 Merced California Hall of Fame pff offensive line grades - rams POST #30 max wrote:It’s not too early to say Goff is getting hit too much. We play in Cleveland next Sunday. They have Myles Garrett. If he hurts Goff, I will be very upset. And I’m gonna blame some of the people responsible for our OL.Goff has never been injured at any level he's played. Some guys just have a knack for absorbing hits without serious injury. People used to say Russell Wilson will never last running around like that. 114 consecutive games later they don't say that anymore. Reply 3 / 4 1 3 4 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 32 posts Apr 19 2024
by /zn/ 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 6763 Joined: Jun 28 2015 Maine Hall of Fame pff offensive line grades - rams POST #27 AvengerRam wrote:When the Rams won the Super Bowl in 1999, they had an OL consisting of a 1st round pick (Pace), a 5th (Miller), two 7ths (Timmerman, Nutten), and a UFA (Gruttadauria).Just sayin’Another way to look at OL acquisitions is how your team got them, not where they were picked originally. Just putting things in black and white here. Timmerman was an already successful superbowl guard with GB and when they signed him, he was one of the highest paid FAs at the time. Pace is obvious; Miller as you said was a Rams 5th rounder (and recent too--96). Nutten may have been a 7th originally but he had been cut and in fact had a stint in the CFL then Europe. He's a classic castoff. So was Gruttadauria (he was originally signed as a UDFA by Dallas and then...cast off). To mold that 99 OL they let a 1st and 2nd round pick walk (Gandy and Wiegert.) So the 99 OL not only includes 2 cast-offs...in effect they "traded" out 1st and 2nd round picks for those 2 cast offs. Cause good OL coaches know how to take guys who maybe didn't make it as rookies but who have potential and develop them further if they're fits. Cast-offs are always a regular part of good OL building (as I said just putting it all down in black and white). by max 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 5580 Joined: Jun 01 2015 Sarasota, FL Hall of Fame pff offensive line grades - rams POST #28 dieterbrock wrote:So let me get this straight, the Rams 1st rounders 2016-2018 were spent on obtaining Jared Goff and Brandin Cooks. Max, are you actually suggesting that they should have invested in o-line with those picks instead? The Rams were in the Super Bowl last year largely due to the efforts of those two if I remember correctlyTalk about what have you done for me lately....My thinking is more along the lines of using the draft capital we spent on Henderson, Long, and Evans, and spend it instead somehow on a talented OG in the 2nd round or in a trade. I think Noteboom is not an OG, he’s a pure OT. I think we don’t have an inside running game because we don’t have strong interior run blockers. As a result, defenses aren’t respecting our play action passing game the way they did when we had Saffold. ~ max ~“The consciousness of good intentions disdains ambiguity.” - Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers by /zn/ 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 6763 Joined: Jun 28 2015 Maine Hall of Fame pff offensive line grades - rams POST #29 max wrote:My thinking is more along the lines of using the draft capital we spent on Henderson, Long, and Evans, and spend it instead somehow on a talented OG in the 2nd round or in a trade. I think Noteboom is not an OG, he’s a pure OT. I think we don’t have an inside running game because we don’t have strong interior run blockers. As a result, defenses aren’t respecting our play action passing game the way they did when we had Saffold.Noteboom is physically not that different from Saffold, who also played OT. And in fact to mention Kromer again, he has a long history of playing tackles at guard. As for the interior OL as of right now Football Outsiders ranks them 4th in terms of running yards up the middle (center/guard). They're also 13th in % of runs stuffed. Allen is just an advantage over Sullivan when it comes to being a physical blocker.Don't get me wrong, having questions and issues about this is fair. I just happen to see it in a different light than you. Until this OL is well established late in the season though, questions about them are valid. I am just less worried than you.If DLs are assaulting them in the meanwhile they just have to do what everyone does. Call plays that get the ball out quicker. by snackdaddy 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 9657 Joined: May 30 2015 Merced California Hall of Fame pff offensive line grades - rams POST #30 max wrote:It’s not too early to say Goff is getting hit too much. We play in Cleveland next Sunday. They have Myles Garrett. If he hurts Goff, I will be very upset. And I’m gonna blame some of the people responsible for our OL.Goff has never been injured at any level he's played. Some guys just have a knack for absorbing hits without serious injury. People used to say Russell Wilson will never last running around like that. 114 consecutive games later they don't say that anymore. Reply 3 / 4 1 3 4 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 32 posts Apr 19 2024
by max 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 5580 Joined: Jun 01 2015 Sarasota, FL Hall of Fame pff offensive line grades - rams POST #28 dieterbrock wrote:So let me get this straight, the Rams 1st rounders 2016-2018 were spent on obtaining Jared Goff and Brandin Cooks. Max, are you actually suggesting that they should have invested in o-line with those picks instead? The Rams were in the Super Bowl last year largely due to the efforts of those two if I remember correctlyTalk about what have you done for me lately....My thinking is more along the lines of using the draft capital we spent on Henderson, Long, and Evans, and spend it instead somehow on a talented OG in the 2nd round or in a trade. I think Noteboom is not an OG, he’s a pure OT. I think we don’t have an inside running game because we don’t have strong interior run blockers. As a result, defenses aren’t respecting our play action passing game the way they did when we had Saffold. ~ max ~“The consciousness of good intentions disdains ambiguity.” - Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers by /zn/ 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 6763 Joined: Jun 28 2015 Maine Hall of Fame pff offensive line grades - rams POST #29 max wrote:My thinking is more along the lines of using the draft capital we spent on Henderson, Long, and Evans, and spend it instead somehow on a talented OG in the 2nd round or in a trade. I think Noteboom is not an OG, he’s a pure OT. I think we don’t have an inside running game because we don’t have strong interior run blockers. As a result, defenses aren’t respecting our play action passing game the way they did when we had Saffold.Noteboom is physically not that different from Saffold, who also played OT. And in fact to mention Kromer again, he has a long history of playing tackles at guard. As for the interior OL as of right now Football Outsiders ranks them 4th in terms of running yards up the middle (center/guard). They're also 13th in % of runs stuffed. Allen is just an advantage over Sullivan when it comes to being a physical blocker.Don't get me wrong, having questions and issues about this is fair. I just happen to see it in a different light than you. Until this OL is well established late in the season though, questions about them are valid. I am just less worried than you.If DLs are assaulting them in the meanwhile they just have to do what everyone does. Call plays that get the ball out quicker. by snackdaddy 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 9657 Joined: May 30 2015 Merced California Hall of Fame pff offensive line grades - rams POST #30 max wrote:It’s not too early to say Goff is getting hit too much. We play in Cleveland next Sunday. They have Myles Garrett. If he hurts Goff, I will be very upset. And I’m gonna blame some of the people responsible for our OL.Goff has never been injured at any level he's played. Some guys just have a knack for absorbing hits without serious injury. People used to say Russell Wilson will never last running around like that. 114 consecutive games later they don't say that anymore. Reply 3 / 4 1 3 4 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 32 posts Apr 19 2024
by /zn/ 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 6763 Joined: Jun 28 2015 Maine Hall of Fame pff offensive line grades - rams POST #29 max wrote:My thinking is more along the lines of using the draft capital we spent on Henderson, Long, and Evans, and spend it instead somehow on a talented OG in the 2nd round or in a trade. I think Noteboom is not an OG, he’s a pure OT. I think we don’t have an inside running game because we don’t have strong interior run blockers. As a result, defenses aren’t respecting our play action passing game the way they did when we had Saffold.Noteboom is physically not that different from Saffold, who also played OT. And in fact to mention Kromer again, he has a long history of playing tackles at guard. As for the interior OL as of right now Football Outsiders ranks them 4th in terms of running yards up the middle (center/guard). They're also 13th in % of runs stuffed. Allen is just an advantage over Sullivan when it comes to being a physical blocker.Don't get me wrong, having questions and issues about this is fair. I just happen to see it in a different light than you. Until this OL is well established late in the season though, questions about them are valid. I am just less worried than you.If DLs are assaulting them in the meanwhile they just have to do what everyone does. Call plays that get the ball out quicker. by snackdaddy 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 9657 Joined: May 30 2015 Merced California Hall of Fame pff offensive line grades - rams POST #30 max wrote:It’s not too early to say Goff is getting hit too much. We play in Cleveland next Sunday. They have Myles Garrett. If he hurts Goff, I will be very upset. And I’m gonna blame some of the people responsible for our OL.Goff has never been injured at any level he's played. Some guys just have a knack for absorbing hits without serious injury. People used to say Russell Wilson will never last running around like that. 114 consecutive games later they don't say that anymore. Reply 3 / 4 1 3 4 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 32 posts Apr 19 2024
by snackdaddy 4 years 7 months ago Total posts: 9657 Joined: May 30 2015 Merced California Hall of Fame pff offensive line grades - rams POST #30 max wrote:It’s not too early to say Goff is getting hit too much. We play in Cleveland next Sunday. They have Myles Garrett. If he hurts Goff, I will be very upset. And I’m gonna blame some of the people responsible for our OL.Goff has never been injured at any level he's played. Some guys just have a knack for absorbing hits without serious injury. People used to say Russell Wilson will never last running around like that. 114 consecutive games later they don't say that anymore. Reply 3 / 4 1 3 4 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business