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 by aeneas1
3 months ago
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/zn/ wrote:Well he has been consistent. To say he has been honest could only mean you know what actually happened with TG's knee, and no one outside the team knows that.

coming from the guy who pointed to a quote by cj anderson as proof that gurley's knee was in rough shape during the postseason run, not knowing that the cj quote was actually from when he first joined the rams and was asked about replacing gurley for a spell, well before the postseason play began - in fact cj had to explain the timing of his quote to like-minded knuckleheads and spell it out, as you would to a small child, that his statement wasn't made during the "...playoffs when he (Gurley) returned and was healthy."

in short, we're left with you being eager to believe what cj had to say about gurley's health (setting aside for the moment that you were entirely befuddled by the timing of his comment), but you struggle with what mcvay has to say on the subject.

you can't make this shit up.

/zn/ wrote:He had inflammation, in fact a couple of episodes of it. CJ directly commented on problems with his knee.

:lol2:

 by aeneas1
3 months ago
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AltiTude Ram wrote:The latest interview posted above again shows his confidence in Gurley. Saying Gurley will be the focal point of the offense and expecting nothing but the best from him game 1.

and that's what's so confusing... throughout the interview mcvay acts like gurley was fine in the cowboys game, saints game, super bowl, offers some examples, explains the lack of opportunities, and talks about how gurley will play a major role in the 2019 season.... it's just so bizarre, his double-talk, his cryptic comments, his vagueness, what's he really up to? what's his game?

 by AvengerRam
3 months ago
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HighRoller wrote:You ask a question with an answer. You really are not interested in considering any other answer because you have already made up your mind.

I really don't understand the point of this thread.


I expressed my opinion AND solicited the opinions of others. It’s called “starting a discussion.” Try it sometime.

 by AvengerRam
3 months ago
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/zn/ wrote:Guys like Hammond, Bonsignore, Klein, etc? Of course they're professionals. That's pretty obvious.


Well...they’re paid, so I guess they’re “professionals” as opposed to amateurs. Whether they have qualifications and conduct themselves in a manner that befits a true profession...well, that’s debatable.
And besides no one has said that the Rams have offered misinformation or said something that isn't true.


It makes me sad when you call yourself “no one.” You should have more confidence.

I have not seen anything in the press that actually and really qualifies as someone directly calling the Rams "liars." Seems to me that it's a little hyperbolic to claim the press is saying that.


Nobody said they called anyone a “liar,” Captain Strawman.

 by /zn/
3 months ago
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aeneas1 wrote:coming from the guy who pointed to a quote by cj anderson as proof that gurley's knee was in rough shape during the postseason run,


Well you just made that.up. 8-) In that quotation, CJ is talking about when they sat Gurley during the season. That would have nothing to do with whether he could play after Dallas. And whether he could play again after Dallas would tell us nothing about the future. After all he could play again after Oakland, yet whatever it was flared up again in December. So all Anderson really says is that it was worse than they thought at first in December.

This is how real arguments work. You don't try to get in a little slam and make it personal. You address the actual issues, in direct ways. Trying to go ad hominem and "discredit the other guy" with quips just avoids that. Especially when your quip isn't based on anything.

 by /zn/
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aeneas1 wrote:and that's what's so confusing... throughout the interview mcvay acts like gurley was fine in the cowboys game, saints game, super bowl, offers some examples, explains the lack of opportunities, and talks about how gurley will play a major role in the 2019 season.... it's just so bizarre, his double-talk, his cryptic comments, his vagueness, what's he really up to? what's his game?


Is anyone here disputing he could play in the post-season? Where? Quote them.

Whatever his condition is, he had flare-ups twice. In September and then December. Both times he came back from it and played again. After Oakland, he really wasn't good in game 2, but he was back again by game 3 and then for a long stretch. (In December, McVay said the September thing was a similar situation.) In December, they sat him. Then after some rest he was playing again in the post-season.

So that's twice. Now--what causes 2 flare-ups on a surgical knee, several weeks apart? Whatever it was, we know it wasn't an injury and we know it's not structural. They did an MRI. What was it, what caused it, and can it or will it return? Was it just a freak thing in 2018, or is there some kind of underlying physical issue? They called it wear and tear (which is a little odd since it flared up in game 1.) After the season, they talked about watching his reps and playing time.

So all we know is that something comes and goes but he can still play after down time. But there's some uncertainty at some level because a surgical knee flaring up twice in a season probably means some kind of underlying thing is going on.

No one has said anything any different from that. Including McVay. Though McVay and the rest of the team have avoided being very detailed about whatever it is.

I don't know what will happen, but, I think it's a safe bet that they will monitor him next year, and scale back how much he plays and practices, and probably not by a huge percentage. But they will have an eye on this.

And none of that is new. We've known it since January.

 by PARAM
3 months ago
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AltiTude Ram wrote:There's a genuine, authentic real honest answer that some don't want to believe.

McVay has been consistent since the playoffs on how Gurley's production played out in the NFC Championship game and the Super bowl.

Shaking my head as to why this is still challenged. :roll2:


And McVay cited the 13 yard run (during the 4th series) in the 2nd half that was called back. Gurley got the ball 3 times in the first half for 10 yards. CJ got it 4 times for 10 yards. And they each had a long of 5 yards, which means on 5 of the 7 runs they got 10 yards. Was CJ injured too? Or was the key just 7 runs?

In the 2nd half Gurley had a run of 16, another of 13 that was called back and a 5 yarder matching the first half high. On 4 other runs he got 5 yards. CJ got 3 carries (all for 4 yards) for 12 yards in the 2nd half. They did have 38 yards on 10 carries in the 2nd half. But 10 carries after just 7 in the first half?

We were having trouble running the ball save for 2 runs, 1 that counted. I don't think it was due to injury but rather good defense and an OL who couldn't (or didn't) adjust. Was that on Kromer or McVay? Or was it Belichick? We had five 3 and outs on 12 possessions (not counting the 1 play drive FG miss). That's almost 50% when it seemed all year, the Rams would need 6 or 7 games to have five 3 and outs.

It’s difficult to explain just how good the Los Angeles Rams have been this season. While they’ve been almost unmovable on defense, the offense has been cruising to 30-point games in the first three weeks of the season.

They’re fourth in points scored, third in yards, second in first downs and have shown great balance between the run and the pass. The Raiders, Cardinals and Chargers all failed to limit the Rams offense, allowing an average of 439 yards in the first three games to Los Angeles.

All those stats are impressive, but this one from Bill Barnwell might take the cake. Getting the Rams off the field is obviously difficult, but doing so in the first three plays of a drive is near-impossible.

Lowest three-and-out percentage in the NFL through three games:

3) Chiefs 25.0%
3) Raiders 25.0%
3) Bengals 25.0%
2) Buccaneers 20.8%

1) Rams 6.9%


They led everybody by 14% and true that was just through 3 games but they seemed to keep it up all season. It's difficult to explain the Superbowl, so "third base"....Gurley.

The gap between the Rams and the rest of the NFL is staggering, to say the least. They’ve had 29 offensive drives through three games and only two of them have ended in three-and-outs – one of which came on the Rams’ first possession of the 2018 season.

Here are a few additional numbers and their rankings on a per-drive basis this year.

Rams rank 1st in:
- Average drive time (3:20)
- Plays per drive (7.07)
- Yards per drive (45.4)

2nd in points per drive (2.93), 8th in average starting position (29.9-yard line)

You can’t stop the Rams, you can only hope to contain them.


Well somebody stopped them. Belichick or McVay. But it's en vogue to point to Gurley's knee when it comes to 'what happened in the Superbowl' or 'what happened after the Dallas game'. And all indications.....from McVay.....from their actions (or lack of actions you might expect if something bad were truly wrong with Gurley)….but we still have the draft to go. :idea2: Who knows? I trust what they're saying (and not doing).

LINK

 by /zn/
3 months ago
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PARAM wrote:Well somebody stopped them. Belichick or McVay. But it's en vogue to point to Gurley's knee when it comes to 'what happened in the Superbowl'


That may be true somewhere, that is it is possible that someone is saying that (I wouldn't know), but no one in this thread that I saw, poster or quoted text, says that.

So why is it coming up?

No one in this thread (that I saw) is stating or defending the view that the superbowl struggle gets down to Gurley not being able to play.

I thought the superbowl struggle had more to do with the Patz defensive gameplan and the Rams OL and Goff being out of rhythm (because of the Patz D and the Rams OL).

Where does this idea come from that someone is pinning that game on Gurley?

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 by AvengerRam
3 months ago
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/zn/ wrote:Where does this idea come from that someone is pinning that game on Gurley?

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That’s exactly what Hammond implied in the quote from the first post of this thread. You might recognize that if you weren’t working so hard to help the thread “take on a life of its own.”

 by /zn/
3 months ago
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AvengerRam wrote:That’s exactly what Hammond implied in the quote


Thanks. But. How do you get from that quotation that Hammond blames the loss on Gurley?

The most I get from that remark (which is taken out of context btw) is that RH thinks Gurley was not playing up to his best standard in that game. I don't know how anyone gets from that that RH blames the whole loss on TG. If RH DID think that (and that's not what I see him saying), it would not be worth debating. He would be wrong if he thought that. That would be a weak explanation for that game.

I don't find that issue to be the least bit important. To me, reducing the Gurley discussion to some people believing that RH blames the superbowl on Gurley is going far off the real issues for the sake of one (dubious) way of reading one remark by one guy. There is a lot more to discussing Gurley than that. And there's a lot more to discussing the superbowl than that.

Oh and btw I agree with this...and in fact it is one of the things I've been saying this whole thread:

When it comes to Gurley, I'd expect full candor if his situation was clear cut (i.e. a broken bone, torn ACL). On the other hand, with ongoing/intermittent/potentially chronic knee swelling/pain of a varying degrees of severity (aka arthritis, generally), I'd expect a bit more hedging, both on the eve of a big game and during the offseason. So, to the extent that we're not getting the whole story, I don't feel as though McVay or Snead is being untrustworthy.


Yeah. That's what we should expect.

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