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 by AltiTude Ram
3 months ago
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United States of America   Denver
Pro Bowl

aeneas1 wrote:right?




There's a genuine, authentic real honest answer that some don't want to believe.

McVay has been consistent since the playoffs on how Gurley's production played out in the NFC Championship game and the Super bowl.

Shaking my head as to why this is still challenged. :roll2:

 by /zn/
3 months ago
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United States of America   Maine
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aeneas1 wrote:right?




Wrong question. And McVay handles it the way he always has. Was he hurt? No, says McVay, he was "obviously banged up at the end of the year." Which in itself raises issues.

No one ever said at any point in this that he was injured. That's why "so was he hurt" is the wrong question. He had physical issues but an injury is a violent physical trauma that directly damages tissue or bone and has to heal or be dealt with surgically. Whatever is wrong with Gurley is something else, it's more of some kind of recurring condition.

And he had 2 episodes during the season (September and December)--it has led the team to discuss keeping his touches down. They call it wear and tear, but wear and tear on a surgical knee is no laughing matter. If he is prone to that, it will happen again. Which is why they talk about managing him.

McVay says about the situation after the December pain/inflammation thing, "he's so tough, he's pushing through different things."

He says that right now he is feeling good. Well that would be expected. Rest. If he gets wear and tear on a surgical knee (and that's what the RAMS said happened in 2018), then rest without football contact will help that. If it is as some believe arthritic, same thing.

NOTHING he says there takes back his comment during the season: "from the amount of work that he’s had, there’s been a wear and tear on that knee." Saying that was honest too though if people are ignoring things, it's that.

So how does all this get talked about by people?

managing his workload more delicately in 2019 seems like a prudent move. ...McVay wouldn’t have to relegate Gurley to a complementary weapon in the offense to monitor his workload. Given the knee issue appears like it’s one that could pop up at any moment, shaving a few reps and allowing the running back a few more respites each game could work just as well.
Rich [email protected]_Hammond
This issue still hasn’t fully been addressed on a transparent level.

(This is not directed at Myles, FYI.)

The thing is, from a competitive standpoint, the Rams probably don’t want to say how they will use Gurley in 2019. And they probably shouldn’t say it. But this little two-step that’s been going on since December is…eh.
Skip Bayless asked Anderson, “How hurt was Todd when you got there?”

“He was more hurt than what we thought,” Anderson replied. “The injury was a little bit more than what everybody in the building thought, including himself.”
“There was no specific injury,” Wyche said on NFL Network. “Remember Week 12 against the Kansas City Chiefs, he aggravated the knee, OK? There was an aggravation right there. Something inflamed. They sat him out those final two games right there, but then he came back in the playoffs and he looked just fine....Wyche said the Rams staff will have to manage Gurley’s touches a bit more after a sizable workload already in his career.
BONSIGNORE: Publicly and privately, the Rams are not indicating anything more beyond the recent comments by McVay and Snead that Gurley was dealing with “wear and tear” issues late in the season....McVay and Snead have talked about putting a plan in place that will help keep Gurley fresh and effective over the course of a full season. Presumably, that means managing Gurley’s usage and touches during practice and games and investing in a capable backup running back that can capably share the workload.
SNEAD: "I think where we have to go is to fast forward to now is with Todd, he's had a lot of carries since he's come in the league, a lot of yards, a lot of touchdowns things like that," Snead said. "Obviously, senior year, junior year, Georgia, (tore) the ACL, so over that time there's an element of wear and tear and I think we have to determine in probably two stages: are we going to give him the amount of load that he's had in the past or are we going to lessen that load to let's say keep him fresher for the season and for the seasons beyond.

"If you go that route, you have to have a good, let's call it Batman and Robin combination or add another superhero figure into that and figure how you're going to do it. We're in the process of figuring that out and I do think with Todd and his career -- it happens to a lot of young guys, all of a sudden they wake up ... and you're a little sorer than you were the day before. So, recovery, things like that have to come into it, but it's something we want to be intentional about and proactive."
“I don’t know exactly medically when you categorize what arthritis is,” McVay said. “I do know that just from the amount of work that he’s had, there’s been a wear and tear on that knee.”
Gurley’s knee also was an issue after a season-opening victory over the Oakland Raiders, when Gurley rushed for 108 yards and caught three passes for 39 yards and a touchdown.

“It was a similar situation,” McVay said.
HAMMOND: Then, inevitably, the apparent full truth started to emerge. Jeff Howe of The Athletic learned that Gurley has an arthritic knee. Rams officials, given multiple opportunities to dispute the report, have not, and they’ve been steadfast that Gurley’s situation can be managed and that he can remain productive.

The Rams might be correct.

 by /zn/
3 months ago
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United States of America   Maine
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aeneas1 wrote:wrong planet. really.


I find that not reading posts is a good way to get in meaningless quips. It's not a real argument, of course, but so what else is new---message boards be like that sometimes. 8-)

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 by aeneas1
3 months ago
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United States of America   Norcal
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AltiTude Ram wrote:There's a genuine, authentic real honest answer that some don't want to believe.

McVay has been consistent since the playoffs on how Gurley's production played out in the NFC Championship game and the Super bowl.

Shaking my head as to why this is still challenged. :roll2:

honestly, this gurley stuff has become a rowan atkinson / elton john skit:


 by /zn/
3 months ago
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United States of America   Maine
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AltiTude Ram wrote:Shaking my head as to why this is still challenged. :roll2:


Well you want to find out why? Or are you just stuck in preconceptions about the discussion?

For one thing, nothing in that vid gets challenged. That's because McVay did not say anything new. He certainly didn't take back his statement from the season that "from the amount of work that he’s had, there’s been wear and tear on that knee." Saying that was honest too though if anyone is ignoring anything, it's that.

I have a long post with a lot of quotes and a response to that vid. You can have an honest discussion and read that and respond in civil terms. Or be seduced into the personalized quip fest, which ignores the issues.

But a lot of people see this differently than you do. If you want to know why, give it a shot. Nothing to lose after all. 8-)

 by AltiTude Ram
3 months ago
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United States of America   Denver
Pro Bowl

/zn/ wrote:Well you want to find out why? Or are you just stuck in preconceptions about the discussion?

For one thing, nothing in that vid gets challenged. That's because McVay did not say anything new. He certainly didn't take back his statement from the season that "from the amount of work that he’s had, there’s been wear and tear on that knee." Saying that was honest too though if anyone is ignoring anything, it's that.

I have a long post with a lot of quotes and a response to that vid. You can have an honest discussion and read that and respond in civil terms. Or be seduced into the personalized quip fest, which ignores the issues.

But a lot of people see this differently than you do. If you want to know why, give it a shot. Nothing to lose after all. 8-)


Nothing new is about the only thing you get right. McVay has been consistent and honest with his response to this issue.

In fact he was quoted before the Super bowl saying he expected Gurley to have a great game. He's explained the lack of production in both the NFC Championship game and the Super bowl.

There's really nothing nothing more to this unless you think he's not being honest about the situation.

The latest interview posted above again shows his confidence in Gurley. Saying Gurley will be the focal point of the offense and expecting nothing but the best from him game 1.

McVay isn't giving coach speak or dodging questions because of competitve advantages. To use his own words again, he's real,genuine and authentic.

You're entitled to think there is more to it.

I like to get information from the horse's mouth instead of the horse's ass.

 by HighRoller
3 months ago
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United States of America   LA Coliseum
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AvengerRam wrote:Today, Sean McVay was quoted as saying that Todd Gurley will be the focal point of the Rams' offense in 2019.

Almost immediately, people reacted with doubt. Here's a perfect example:



My question is, when McVay (or Les Snead) says something about the team, do you trust that you're being told the truth?

For me, it depends. If a coach (or GM) is asked to reveal something that, if revealed, might contrary to the team's strategic interests, I expect the response to be... shall we say, less than forthcoming.

For example, if McVay or Snead is asked in the next two weeks about their draft plans, I don't expect them to say "we really want to fill the NT spot and the guy we really want is...." That would be absurd. Instead, expect the tap dance of "we feel good about where we are and will let the draft come to us" or something of that nature.

When it comes to Gurley, I'd expect full candor if his situation was clear cut (i.e. a broken bone, torn ACL). On the other hand, with ongoing/intermittent/potentially chronic knee swelling/pain of a varying degrees of severity (aka arthritis, generally), I'd expect a bit more hedging, both on the eve of a big game and during the offseason. So, to the extent that we're not getting the whole story, I don't feel as though McVay or Snead is being untrustworthy.

So, I guess what I'm saying is... I still trust them to be straight with me as a fan, when it is the teams' best interest. That works for me.


You ask a question with an answer. You really are not interested in considering any other answer because you have already made up your mind.

I really don't understand the point of this thread.

 by /zn/
3 months ago
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United States of America   Maine
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AltiTude Ram wrote:Nothing new is about the only thing you get right. McVay has been consistent and honest with his response to this issue.

In fact he was quoted before the Super bowl saying he expected Gurley to have a great game. He's explained the lack of production in both the NFC Championship game and the Super bowl.

There's really nothing nothing more to this unless you think he's not being honest about the situation.

The latest interview posted above again shows his confidence in Gurley. Saying Gurley will be the focal point of the offense and expecting nothing but the best from him game 1.

McVay isn't giving coach speak or dodging questions because of competitve advantages. To use his own words again, he's real,genuine and authentic.

You're entitled to think there is more to it.

I like to get information from the horse's mouth instead of the horse's ass.


Well he has been consistent. To say he has been honest could only mean you know what actually happened with TG's knee, and no one outside the team knows that. And in fact it's not an issue--over and over in this thread people said they do not expect a team to be honest about everything. This whole "honesty" thing is a false issue.

To repeat, that's both because we can't know what the condition of the knee is, and because as pretty much everyone agrees we do not expect a team to be open about everything. So defending McVay's "honesty" on this issue is beside the point in 2 different ways.

If TG has an underlying condition in his knee that can act up again, and I were the coach, I would not advertize it. I wouldn't want to tempt defenders into throwing themselves at the knee.

Now. Why can't you and I say for absolute certain that there is no underlying condition in the knee? Because we do not know. McVay certainly has never said the opposite. He never says, no the knee is fine, that's not a future concern, it was a one time thing that will not come back. He didn't say that and he can't say that. Plus, the knee flared up in both September and December. It could not have been just "wear and tear" in September and if it was, then, he entered the season with a vulnerable knee...and nothing during the season would have made it less vulnerable longterm. That seems to point to an underlying condition of some kind. Something they have to manage because it can come back.

My list of quotations include McVay and Snead. It's their own words that keep this issue open.

McVay says TG's fine now ("now" meaning the off-season) and no one disputes that or questions it. If his knee acts up in September then settles down enough for him to play until it acts up again in December, then, I doubt anyone would dispute the idea that 3 months of rest without football contact would settle it down again.

But they do say he got banged up. They do mention wear and tear. Even leaving arthritis out of it, that's just not likely to be a one and done issue with a surgically repaired knee. It happened twice in one season, once bad enough for him to miss 2 games, and nothing they have ever said about this even tries to claim it won't happen again. Instead it's obvious they are acting like they think it can happen again, which is why all the talk about managing his carries next year.

You may like to get information from the horse's mouth but you will never in the forseeable future hear the real reason TG's knee acted up twice in one season. You won't hear it from the team anyway. They don't want to say--except to mention generic wear and tear, which is a safe answer--so we will not hear anything about it. (And it may actually be the real answer but then we have no way of knowing that.) By league rules they don't HAVE TO say anything about an underlying condition like a surgically repaired knee that (for whatever reason) acts up. It's not like hiding an injury--injuries have to be reported. This doesn't.

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